Message from @Benzmiller

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2017-02-28 03:29:25 UTC  

he takes in calls too thats the best part

2017-02-28 03:29:31 UTC  

one guy called in with a molyneux impression

2017-02-28 03:29:35 UTC  

one of the funniest things

2017-02-28 03:36:50 UTC  

@🅱arD Spooky

2017-02-28 03:49:01 UTC  

cantwell is still an-cap.. he has the flag on his set still and in the About section on his site it says he is an-cap

2017-02-28 03:49:31 UTC  

why is it that any time some libertarian embraces hoppean ideas that idiots say "he isn't an anarchist any more, he is super right wing"

2017-02-28 03:49:52 UTC  

they do the same thing to molyneux, even when he still says he is a voluntarist and that he isn't right wing

2017-02-28 03:50:16 UTC  

do people not have the mental capacity to realize that these things aren't mutually exclusive?

2017-02-28 03:54:32 UTC  

I dunno.
Anarchists are a very whiny lot, they tend to be ideology over pragmatics as an absolute rule.

2017-02-28 03:55:26 UTC  

doesn't really have anything to do with my complaint

2017-02-28 03:56:27 UTC  

Hoppe has been saying we need to remove undesirables from society for a long time (in a stateless society) on principal, this doesn't make him "right wing" or a statist

2017-02-28 03:56:56 UTC  

so now that molyneux and cantwell start saying things similar to hoppe, now they get called right wing and statist

2017-02-28 03:57:55 UTC  

Well, removing people involuntary kinda goes against voluntarism.
And while in order to assure a libertarian society it'd be a necessity, as I stated previously, anarchists are autistic and unwilling to compromise.

2017-02-28 03:58:15 UTC  

not against voluntarism if those people are a threat

2017-02-28 03:58:33 UTC  

which is not really my gripe

2017-02-28 03:59:11 UTC  

it's just that the purposeful mischaracterization of people's positions just to make themselves feel better about their own views, is retarded

2017-02-28 03:59:19 UTC  

it's time to stop.avi

2017-02-28 04:00:30 UTC  

Yes, but if we didn't strawman people we'd have to talk to them and end up having our fundamental views questioned.

2017-02-28 04:01:04 UTC  

it sounds like someone is about to launch their tomahawk missles

2017-02-28 04:01:48 UTC  

i don't have enough tomahawks to get rid of all of the strawman-ers

2017-02-28 04:02:39 UTC  

You'd have to remove almost everyone.

2017-02-28 04:03:04 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276935978369810432/285985198733000704/457.jpg

2017-02-28 04:03:18 UTC  

i just want them to stop being bad at arguments and thinking

2017-02-28 04:03:40 UTC  

if burnside sees this he will memacaust you again @Iamawesom

2017-02-28 04:04:03 UTC  

@Benzmiller People are almost always unwilling to get over themselves.

2017-02-28 04:04:31 UTC  

i know, but what else can i say, other than to call them retards and tell them to stop

2017-02-28 04:04:36 UTC  

or maybe they're unable to

2017-02-28 04:05:01 UTC  

Well, you can't reason a person out of somewhere they didn't reason themselves into.
But there are more advanced argument methods.

2017-02-28 04:05:11 UTC  

Socratic is good, make them ask questions about the fundamental nature of their ideology.

2017-02-28 04:05:28 UTC  

Of course this only works if the person understands the difference between a question and answer. Fact and opinion.

2017-02-28 04:06:23 UTC  

i'm sure they don't even understand the socratic method

2017-02-28 04:06:32 UTC  

No, but you can make them use it in an argument.

2017-02-28 04:06:34 UTC  

this is why i generally don't engage them. they can't stay on topic

2017-02-28 04:06:42 UTC  

That's another thing.

2017-02-28 04:06:44 UTC  

If you're talking about convincing people to stop supporting communist horseshit, it takes experience of the real world before they wake the fuck up. I've never known a working person who has ever supported communism.

2017-02-28 04:06:54 UTC  

we're not

2017-02-28 04:07:07 UTC  

The proliteriat don't wanna be dictators.
They just wanna have a beer with the missus.

2017-02-28 04:07:37 UTC  

The proles realize that it's better to be able to climb a ladder than to be stranded on the floor for life

2017-02-28 04:08:04 UTC  

It's pseudo intellectual middle class idiots who think they can fix the world via leveling the plane.

2017-02-28 04:08:31 UTC  

I don't want level, that's shit, I wanna be able to not work one day.
I want movement, thriving, life that is questioned and vibrant with a relied source of income.