you don't have to pay your taxes, but if you don't pay your taxes you will be treated as an outsider, you don't get the benefits and protection from the brutal warlord that already took over the land

wanting to be in a society without following its rules and paying its taxes is like wanting to have the services of a company without paying

the free trade or lack thereof within that society is valid in ancap because they are the internal affairs of a corporation

So in other words you agree I just don't believe the outcome we share in your view.

I agree ancap is gay as hell lol

But I think we basically already live in that end-state gay as hell ancap world

you say in an ancap world brutes will take over

I think brutes already did take over

But it's not anarcho nor capitalist at all imo

it's just hell

yeah, reality does not pan out as ancaps would like

the markets are far from free

ironically socialism makes this worse

and anything closely related to anarchism hasn't been experienced in 1000's of years.

thats the point though, the societies that the brutes set up are not ancap internally

I'm not saying brutes will take over ancap society and have free markets

I'm saying if you do have complete anarchy the brutes will take over and you won't have free markets in their society

we live in the inevitable endgame of ancap where the markets are not free in any meaningful way because brutes took over

What I'm saying is that, without a proper understanding of man, mankind, political systems, and general economics and the missing factor in all of these systems that breeds the offspring of it's own demise will be time and time again rehashed and relived.
Simply man is not a anarchistic being nor is he a complete free spirit. Man needs guidance and role models and he also needs some space to breath and exist to degree's within propriety and moderation.

lets say you have a society that is baseline ancap, but brutes take over basically everything, but they do so within ancap guidelines in that they get the consent of the people they govern and people are free to opt out. you can opt out of the brute's society but like you said you can only have what you are willing to enforce with violence. so lets say you opt out of the US, but you want to keep your home, you will have to enforce it with violence when the brute, (the US) comes knocking at your door with guns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propertarianism

It's basically AC M8

@Boniface Funny thing is almost none of what you wrote would happen in such a manner.

I'm describing real life. If you just stop paying taxes, try to annex a part of the US, they will try to fuck you up. Am I wrong?

baseline ancap society= never
"but brutes take over basically everything, but they do so within ancap guidelines" = Maybe by sheer coincidence but never intentional.
"you can opt out of the brute's society" and the berlin wall was meant to keep outsiders from coming in ;)
"so lets say you opt out of the US, but you want to keep your home" as long as you pay your taxes america is for sale.

annex yes, not pay taxes well there are ways to get around that one.

pay taxes, respect laws, don't annex land, etc

and the berlin wall was just part of physical reality

If you want to live on your own

be a one man island

but you live in the middle of the soviet union

you're on your own man

You're tresspassing on the government's territory

its their land, you better gtfo and do it on your own if you are a one man island

if as a single individual you don't have the power to conquer and secure land well tough shit

Yes this is the end of both extremes in reality.

because both end here

but the truth is "anarcho capitalism" is never and will never be the road taken.

it's just completely antithetical to human beings.

not in the way anarcho capitalists hope it will be taken

exactly