Lets say you have a society that adheres to ancap principles at its base, but people voluntarily decide to form groups where within the groups there is no free market

I don't think that goes against ancap principles

You can only have what you are willing to enforce with violence.

It doesn't violate the NAP if people decide to make a communist comune or something

It's funny because the less gov't you have the greater your free markets will be, likewise the greater size the gov't is the less your markets will be free

They just aren't mutually inclusive or synergistic.

yeah but a free market is a social construct

think of a government as a corporation, taxes are what you pay for the benefits it provides

it has a certain system of trade, but its within the corporation itself

the free market exists at the level of if you want to partake in that government corporation or not

but if you choose not to

if you don't pay your taxes

and you are not part of any government corporation

a government corporation might fuck you up and put you in jail for being on its territory

This is a hypothetical that is not realistic though

I think its an accurate description of real life

that's another reason ancap is gay as hell, it assumes far too much that is not observed in human behavior.

you don't have to pay your taxes, but if you don't pay your taxes you will be treated as an outsider, you don't get the benefits and protection from the brutal warlord that already took over the land

wanting to be in a society without following its rules and paying its taxes is like wanting to have the services of a company without paying

the free trade or lack thereof within that society is valid in ancap because they are the internal affairs of a corporation

So in other words you agree I just don't believe the outcome we share in your view.

I agree ancap is gay as hell lol

But I think we basically already live in that end-state gay as hell ancap world

you say in an ancap world brutes will take over

I think brutes already did take over

But it's not anarcho nor capitalist at all imo

it's just hell

yeah, reality does not pan out as ancaps would like

the markets are far from free

ironically socialism makes this worse

and anything closely related to anarchism hasn't been experienced in 1000's of years.

thats the point though, the societies that the brutes set up are not ancap internally

I'm not saying brutes will take over ancap society and have free markets

I'm saying if you do have complete anarchy the brutes will take over and you won't have free markets in their society

we live in the inevitable endgame of ancap where the markets are not free in any meaningful way because brutes took over

What I'm saying is that, without a proper understanding of man, mankind, political systems, and general economics and the missing factor in all of these systems that breeds the offspring of it's own demise will be time and time again rehashed and relived.
Simply man is not a anarchistic being nor is he a complete free spirit. Man needs guidance and role models and he also needs some space to breath and exist to degree's within propriety and moderation.

lets say you have a society that is baseline ancap, but brutes take over basically everything, but they do so within ancap guidelines in that they get the consent of the people they govern and people are free to opt out. you can opt out of the brute's society but like you said you can only have what you are willing to enforce with violence. so lets say you opt out of the US, but you want to keep your home, you will have to enforce it with violence when the brute, (the US) comes knocking at your door with guns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propertarianism

It's basically AC M8

@Boniface Funny thing is almost none of what you wrote would happen in such a manner.

I'm describing real life. If you just stop paying taxes, try to annex a part of the US, they will try to fuck you up. Am I wrong?