Message from @JFGariepy

Discord ID: 639199584928923669


2019-10-30 20:27:55 UTC  

@BabygottBach It's DOCTOR JF to you

2019-10-30 20:28:03 UTC  

... crickets.

2019-10-30 20:28:17 UTC  

<:JFGOD:439598359628611604>

2019-10-30 20:28:30 UTC  

@BabygottBach like I said, I am willing to give you a thoughtful and serious debate.

2019-10-30 20:28:32 UTC  

How DARE you not know random details about the person who got randomly quoted with no context

2019-10-30 20:28:55 UTC  

@JFGariepy, does the quote say that race realists claim that races are homogenous?

2019-10-30 20:29:07 UTC  

It does not. So why did you say that it did?

2019-10-30 20:29:16 UTC  

"the possibility that human history has been characterised by genetically homogeneous groups ("races") distinguished by major biological differences, is not consistent with genetic evidence"

2019-10-30 20:29:19 UTC  

genetic bottlenecks and isolation is the easiest case to prove genetic groups must exist

2019-10-30 20:29:20 UTC  

Nerth showed you it did

2019-10-30 20:29:21 UTC  

even on intelligence

2019-10-30 20:29:29 UTC  

it quite literally says it.

2019-10-30 20:30:18 UTC  

When you put a word in parenthesis after a statement, it's a way of saying "which is to us, a definition of what races are"

2019-10-30 20:30:19 UTC  

Where does it say that race realists say that races are homogenous? It says instead that racial homgeneity is not consistent with genetic evidence.

2019-10-30 20:30:41 UTC  

` Finally, it strawmans the race realist position by stating that races are "genetically homogeneous groups," which is not the position and which should always raise a red flag in the reader, since setting such an impossible standard is clearly evidence that the author wanted to reach the conclusion that races don't exist.`

2019-10-30 20:30:45 UTC  

it MAYBE make for a fun "debate"

2019-10-30 20:30:47 UTC  

if he's willing

2019-10-30 20:30:48 UTC  

Ok, I've banned this guy

2019-10-30 20:30:55 UTC  

babygotbach = mixed raCE btw

2019-10-30 20:30:55 UTC  

<:CHAD:396569198404435969>

2019-10-30 20:30:56 UTC  

because the quote was literally stating this. goodbye

2019-10-30 20:30:57 UTC  

lol

2019-10-30 20:31:01 UTC  

Did he block me?

2019-10-30 20:31:10 UTC  

thanks papa JF

2019-10-30 20:31:15 UTC  

he's completely dishonest person anyway

2019-10-30 20:31:18 UTC  

he's majority han chinese

2019-10-30 20:31:23 UTC  

with soem euro

2019-10-30 20:31:29 UTC  

Lol

2019-10-30 20:31:37 UTC  

Fuguer btfo

2019-10-30 20:31:50 UTC  

is he wrong tho

2019-10-30 20:31:55 UTC  

he's been here 2 times

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/639199831323050007/unknown.png

2019-10-30 20:32:08 UTC  

aaaaaaaand the bitch is gone

2019-10-30 20:32:13 UTC  

well, he did give us all a chance to try to hone our debating skills.

2019-10-30 20:32:28 UTC  

It's race denialism bullshit. Among other things, it relies on the conception that cognitive effects of evolution must have happened before migration rather than after, for which there is no evidence at all other than some supposition made by the author. Furthermore, it denies the differences existing between groups of people that find themselves in different conditions (i.e. perhaps cooperation is good in a winter if you live on average 1 km away from anyone, but not at the equator if you live with 40 people around you all the time who may have increased violent tendencies). It then commits the error of thinking that genetic diversity as measured on a per-letter-of-DNA basis is a good quantification to affirm or deny the presence of distinct evolutionary pressures applying to different groups. It doesn't. We could have less variation than chimpanzees in number of letters, yet stronger natural selection pressures could be at play in shaping the different frequencies between groups. Finally, it strawmans the race realist position by stating that races are "genetically homogeneous groups," which is not the position and which should always raise a red flag in the reader, since setting such an impossible standard is clearly evidence that the author wanted to reach the conclusion that races don't exist.

2019-10-30 20:32:37 UTC  

everything was strawmen and projection

2019-10-30 20:32:47 UTC  

imagine reading all that shit

2019-10-30 20:32:56 UTC  

It's race denialism bullshit. Among other things, it relies on the conception that cognitive effects of evolution must have happened before migration rather than after, for which there is no evidence at all other than some supposition made by the author. Furthermore, it denies the differences existing between groups of people that find themselves in different conditions (i.e. perhaps cooperation is good in a winter if you live on average 1 km away from anyone, but not at the equator if you live with 40 people around you all the time who may have increased violent tendencies). It then commits the error of thinking that genetic diversity as measured on a per-letter-of-DNA basis is a good quantification to affirm or deny the presence of distinct evolutionary pressures applying to different groups. It doesn't. We could have less variation than chimpanzees in number of letters, yet stronger natural selection pressures could be at play in shaping the different frequencies between groups. Finally, it strawmans the race realist position by stating that races are "genetically homogeneous groups," which is not the position and which should always raise a red flag in the reader, since setting such an impossible standard is clearly evidence that the author wanted to reach the conclusion that races don't exist.

2019-10-30 20:33:06 UTC  

It's race denialism bullshit. Among other things, it relies on the conception that cognitive effects of evolution must have happened before migration rather than after, for which there is no evidence at all other than some supposition made by the author. Furthermore, it denies the differences existing between groups of people that find themselves in different conditions (i.e. perhaps cooperation is good in a winter if you live on average 1 km away from anyone, but not at the equator if you live with 40 people around you all the time who may have increased violent tendencies). It then commits the error of thinking that genetic diversity as measured on a per-letter-of-DNA basis is a good quantification to affirm or deny the presence of distinct evolutionary pressures applying to different groups. It doesn't. We could have less variation than chimpanzees in number of letters, yet stronger natural selection pressures could be at play in shaping the different frequencies between groups. Finally, it strawmans the race realist position by stating that races are "genetically homogeneous groups," which is not the position and which should always raise a red flag in the reader, since setting such an impossible standard is clearly evidence that the author wanted to reach the conclusion that races don't exist.

2019-10-30 20:33:14 UTC  

It's race denialism bullshit. Among other things, it relies on the conception that cognitive effects of evolution must have happened before migration rather than after, for which there is no evidence at all other than some supposition made by the author. Furthermore, it denies the differences existing between groups of people that find themselves in different conditions (i.e. perhaps cooperation is good in a winter if you live on average 1 km away from anyone, but not at the equator if you live with 40 people around you all the time who may have increased violent tendencies). It then commits the error of thinking that genetic diversity as measured on a per-letter-of-DNA basis is a good quantification to affirm or deny the presence of distinct evolutionary pressures applying to different groups. It doesn't. We could have less variation than chimpanzees in number of letters, yet stronger natural selection pressures could be at play in shaping the different frequencies between groups. Finally, it strawmans the race realist position by stating that races are "genetically homogeneous groups," which is not the position and which should always raise a red flag in the reader, since setting such an impossible standard is clearly evidence that the author wanted to reach the conclusion that races don't exist.

2019-10-30 20:33:19 UTC  

reeeeee

2019-10-30 20:33:21 UTC  

oh jf said it