Message from @Murenu

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2017-01-31 05:10:02 UTC  

that's absolutely beautiful

2017-01-31 05:13:27 UTC  

Alright, this is going to be too ironic to even comprehend.

2017-01-31 05:16:33 UTC  

SUSPENSE

2017-01-31 05:17:25 UTC  

Aarne Sihvo was likewise imprisoned by Russians for helping the independence movement. Reds take power, he gets kicked out. Civil war starts in Finland, he becomes a commander and helps beat the reds who either surrender or run to russia, among them red guard commander Antikainen. As a gigantic fuck you to the Bolsheviks, he leads an expedition to Russia in 1919 to grab some RIGHTFUL precious Finnish clay, and fights Antikainen's troops. Again. But this time in Russia.

2017-01-31 05:17:32 UTC  

It goes on.

2017-01-31 05:20:06 UTC  

LOL

2017-01-31 05:20:08 UTC  

Fucking rad

2017-01-31 05:21:00 UTC  

After several years of border wars, we grabbed some clay thanks to Sihvo and buddies, and it pretty much dies down by 1923. In 1933 Antikainen decides to infiltrate Finland to help the underground communist party. He gets caught, and there's political trial with constant threat of death sentence for war crimes during the so called "Kinship Wars", with rumors of cannibalism etc. But, Winter War starts in 1939, doesn't go so swimmingly, and one of the demands of the Soviets is comrade Antikainen is released at once.

2017-01-31 05:23:01 UTC  

He goes to Russia and is immediately made representative of Finno-Karelian SSR in High Soviet Council of Representatives. But he begins to wonder why absolutely no one he knows is alive anymore, and and starts asking questions. He dies less than a year after returning to Soviet Union after NKVD is kicking in his door and he defenestrated himself.

2017-01-31 05:24:03 UTC  

He survived almost a decade of constant threat of execution but dies less than a year after coming home. With friends like Bolsheviks, who needs enemies.

2017-01-31 05:25:28 UTC  

Leftist ideology leads to neurotic intellectualism like that

2017-01-31 05:25:38 UTC  

It's honestly a depressing story you're telling here.

2017-01-31 05:26:15 UTC  

Tragicomedic

2017-01-31 05:26:28 UTC  

One of my favorite things is Ben explaining Orwell's motives for writing 1984, how his experience in Spain inspired him - he was accused of being a Fascist and ostracized for intellectual reasons.

2017-01-31 05:26:45 UTC  

The left ostracizes the minority of smart, objective leftists

2017-01-31 05:27:20 UTC  

A lot of Finnish immigrants in Americans also went to Russia to "build socialism" and only to be executed as class enemies. By 1940 there was only one of the leaders of the Red Guard and original Finnish "red mutiny" alive.

2017-01-31 05:27:20 UTC  

He musta lost a metric fuckton of faith in leftism, considering this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell's_list

2017-01-31 05:27:49 UTC  

Communists in the know consider Orwell a traitor, he's basically a prophet of what's wrong with leftism

2017-01-31 05:27:51 UTC  

*1941 with Antikainen having killed himself.

2017-01-31 05:29:25 UTC  

I'm actually curious...uhh what communities of Germans were in the USSR at the time?

2017-01-31 05:29:26 UTC  

Basically every non-Russian minority had mass executions for imaginary "white bandit" or "fascist" infiltrators.

2017-01-31 05:29:27 UTC  

Volga Germans?

2017-01-31 05:29:44 UTC  

yeah it's kinda ironic how the USSR de-facto defaulted to Russian ethnochauvinism out of pragmatism

2017-01-31 05:29:46 UTC  

I remember Russia got a lot of immigrants during Czarina Catherine.

2017-01-31 05:29:51 UTC  

From Germany.

2017-01-31 05:29:55 UTC  

1700ish?

2017-01-31 05:30:02 UTC  

!

2017-01-31 05:30:03 UTC  

I remember

2017-01-31 05:30:21 UTC  

Yep we're on the same wavelength

2017-01-31 05:31:23 UTC  

If USSR was "nationalist", it was "nationalist" like Israel is "nationalist".

2017-01-31 05:31:48 UTC  

I feel like as I said it may have been sheer pragmatism because the people more likely to oppose the regime were non-ethnic Russians

2017-01-31 05:31:54 UTC  

hence I say de-facto

2017-01-31 05:32:15 UTC  

I get it.

2017-01-31 05:32:31 UTC  

To be frank though most eastern block nationalism, whilst it could be technically described as such, was seriously unhealthy and neurotic - less bad than ethnically displacing your people with migrants, sure, but it always seemed mental

2017-01-31 05:32:45 UTC  

Communists even do nationalism wrong

2017-01-31 05:33:40 UTC  

Nazbols always jump to their defense "woah man the USSR kept out multiculturalism" yeah because there was zero incentive for large amounts of non-white immigrants to go to closed economic societies

2017-01-31 05:34:03 UTC  

they stayed homogenous incidentally

2017-01-31 05:34:47 UTC  

Stalin made enemies of all nationalists while Hitler made them his friends. Israel is held by some retards as an example of nationalism, when it's the worst possible example, it is basically universally hated by other nationalists because of their endless jewish chauvinism that makes coexistence impossible.

2017-01-31 05:34:59 UTC  

^^^