Message from @Klutch

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2017-11-04 00:36:15 UTC  

Factory owners can't force government to take land from farmers

2017-11-04 00:36:26 UTC  

Yes. They just do it themselves

2017-11-04 00:36:29 UTC  

Slum lords can't block building permits

2017-11-04 00:36:42 UTC  

Right, they just buy the land up outright

2017-11-04 00:36:55 UTC  

That happens much less often , and I agree, it shouldn't happen either, but government does it far more

2017-11-04 00:37:19 UTC  

Thats because we live in a neo capitalist society where our governments often adhere to the whims of the wealthy

2017-11-04 00:37:41 UTC  

The greatest goal of the wealthy is to retain capital and prevent us peasants from aquiring it

2017-11-04 00:38:09 UTC  

We have crony capitalism. Government interferes constantly. America was wealthier and there was far less poverty before the welfare state

2017-11-04 00:38:35 UTC  

Jones, you shouldn't think of yourself as a peasant. You should look at how wealthy people acquired their money and do it yourself

2017-11-04 00:38:59 UTC  

9 out of 10 millionaires in America are self made, meaning they didn't inherit it

2017-11-04 00:39:20 UTC  

We had far more pure capitalism a century ago, and it was pretty bad

2017-11-04 00:39:39 UTC  

The owner of the corp I currently work for, aquired his capital and started his business by splicing into the local infastructure of the existing telecom companies. An act like that today would put me away for a very long time

2017-11-04 00:40:05 UTC  

So what he did was not only illegal but unethical

2017-11-04 00:40:24 UTC  

A trend you see often by those with wealth in this system

2017-11-04 00:40:36 UTC  

And purely capitalist systems as a whole

2017-11-04 00:40:48 UTC  

We don't live in a purely capitalist audience

2017-11-04 00:40:51 UTC  

System *

2017-11-04 00:41:09 UTC  

I didn't say we did. I'm saying that this has happened in more pure capitalist socieities as well

2017-11-04 00:41:35 UTC  

In the late 19th century, business owners often would relocate their employees to towns they built paying them in vouchers only valid in these workers towns

2017-11-04 00:42:30 UTC  

Child labor, unsafe working conditions, no protections

2017-11-04 00:42:37 UTC  

As opposed to what

2017-11-04 00:43:09 UTC  

As opposed to these workers having some level of freedom and self determination.

2017-11-04 00:43:30 UTC  

They have the freedom to work there or not to

2017-11-04 00:43:38 UTC  

Or to start their own factory

2017-11-04 00:43:43 UTC  

With what capital

2017-11-04 00:43:57 UTC  

Capital is created

2017-11-04 00:44:24 UTC  

When you're just a few paychecks away from starving, starting your own factory is not even remotely an option

2017-11-04 00:44:33 UTC  

You can't simply create the wealth or funds required to build capital

2017-11-04 00:44:39 UTC  

So you can work for someone else or be self employed and save up money to start your own business

2017-11-04 00:45:10 UTC  

This was what the majority of business owners did. The alternative was to be self sufficient and live in what was objectively poverty, living off the land

2017-11-04 00:45:31 UTC  

It was legal rulings and governments mandates that at the time were considered socialistic that put an end to such practices

2017-11-04 00:46:39 UTC  

So, you can live off the land, or work for someone else & work your way up. How is that bad?

2017-11-04 00:46:57 UTC  

What land?

2017-11-04 00:47:00 UTC  

There was not a ladder to work yourself up. How do you work your way up on employee vouchers

2017-11-04 00:47:06 UTC  

The land you don't own?

2017-11-04 00:47:50 UTC  

At one point, child labor laws were considered socialism

2017-11-04 00:47:51 UTC  

Jones, I'm not aware of any companies doing this anymore

2017-11-04 00:48:01 UTC  

Refer to my above statements

2017-11-04 00:48:11 UTC  

Why do you think they don't do it anymore?

2017-11-04 00:48:19 UTC  

Because big government banned it

2017-11-04 00:48:33 UTC  

Because another company will come along & offer them a better form of payment