Message from @Korin Dickman
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that's metal af
I still like how KJV sounds, fight me.
Not to you Norik but to the other King James haters.
Yea
Why do people hate the kjv
Not trad enough
I thought Catholics were not fans
They aren't because I dosent include their books
which books are catholic?
Because Martin Luther needed to make sure that his bible supported his theology.
There's actually an account where, after homily where he denied the efficacy prayers for the dead since "it wasn't in the scripture," Luther was confronted by a Catholic who pointed out the logic for prayers for the dead spelled right out in Maccabees.
Suffice to say, Luther's next edition did NOT include those books
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Lmao
Wouldn't you need to swap both
no
Gnostics aren't paarticularly pleased about god/the demiurge
Either version goes depending on how you look at idea of predestination in each of them.
Doesn't calvinistic idea of predestination make sacrifice of Jesus Christ on a cross completely pointless?
it makes morality pointless
if you arent responsible for your actions
then it cant be said that you did anything wrong
thats why you dont call animals or women evil
> thats why you dont call animals or women evil
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That doesn’t sound too predestined to me
It still doesn't make sense. Jesus Christ died so humanity's sins could be forgiven and establish new covenent between God and men. The idea of predestination and those who are elected by God, even before creation, for salvation (and only those) complemently makes Christ suffering on the cross and sacrifice pointless. Entire new testament might as well be thrown out of the window in that case.
Calvin's personal, flawed interpretation. In most cases when scripture says about people being chosen for salvation it is referred to children of God as a whole all of men are chosen for salvation (hence the Christ sacrifice). But being chosen for salvation doesn't mean you will achieve it since God gave men free will. Not only that but predestination goes against the scripture's teachings that God loves his own (flawed) creation.
Interesting Thread on paganism vs. trinitarian conception of God.
Nonsense. If anything was novel about christianity it was monotheism, which is why it spread alongside other monotheistic cults like the cult of Sol invictus, mithraism etc.
The main reason christianity spread this much is because the Roman empire and jewish diaspora existed in the first place
Rome making it easy to travel from one corner of the empire to another for preaching, the diaspora being the initial audience for it
Besides what variety of christianity was the one most willingly adopted by pagans? Arianism
Gee I guess the trinity caused Arianism to catch on
Trinitary was present in old faiths of Europe before Christianity.
@Mr. Nessel The variety of Christianity that was willingly adopted by pagans was Catholicism. Arianism was really only a fact for about 300 years. You still had many other pagan people who had not converted to Christianity in the year 700.
I will say that Arianism was a big deal for those years in the Western Half of the Empire.
Catholicism was later adopted for political reasons yes, but that's catholicism replacing arianism not trinitarianism convincing pagans to abandon their ways
There were more pagan people than just the Goths and Vandals. The Norse, Poles, Irish, and others weren't Arian.