That's going back pretty far

TF00ts grudge matches are generally cringey as fuck

I just don't like how people act like Musk is some kind of visionary superhero or something, but where the hell would he be without the American taxpayer?

I'm not a big fan of Elon, but his Rogan chat wasn't bad (if not a little boring when talking about some topics).

Grudge matches are cringey in general

@wolfman1911 basically this

Can you give me a few links fleshing this out more though?

I have a few friends who seem to lose their shit whenever I say something along similar lines (misty when they say he’s gonna get to Mars)

I’m not a big fan and not exactly a critic, so it’s not a major interest, just annoying that it gets pushed as a solo effort

That isn’t really the point. Elon doesn’t necessarily have any original ideas. The ‘hyperloop’ was conceived by some guy way earlier. A self landing rocket too. He sort of claims these ideas though.

most of Tesla technology isn't even their own

Yes, thunderfoot is cringey he is a standard belligerent atheist.

@I Know a Fat Guy yes, that’s thunderfoot’s key point. The media fawns a over Elon for no real reason, except that he makes products that they idolize.

So what you are saying is that he's basically the next steve jobs?

no apple is worth something

Lol. Pretty much.

When Jobs was at the helm it was.

Tesla May or may not become profitable. I hope they do, but I’m not holding out.

Tesla's stock value is the same as BMW. BMW make 2million cars a year while tesla 30k

The fact that his businesses all seem to focus on things that won't become affordable for the forseeable future could pretty well be the thing that makes the difference.

Tesla has made more than that this year, but nowhere close to 2 million

If he actually made consumer products like Apple does, he probably would be the next steve jobs.

I think that electric vehicles will become profitable in the near future, but that doesn’t mean Tesla will survive.

well some are profitable just not affordable for the common person

My problem with the entire hybrid/electric car industry is like I said before, subsidies.

I don’t think tesla is fully profitable at this point. Batteries should decrease in price a bunch this year, so cheaper EVs should be possible soon. I think EVs will be ready for prime time in 2020.

Whatever happened to the days when making a good product was how you became profitable, rather than taking handouts from the government?

But Elon promised Tesla would turn a profit this year.....

Well, ICE cars have had subsidies too.

Would Elon lie?

Off-topic, but I _fucking hate_ BMW

Elon consistently over promises

Don’t blame you. They are over priced

@Salacious Swanky Cat something which can’t keep going

Elon motto....Over promise never deliver

I love BMW

@Deleted User yeah that’s generally true, but tesla eventually delivers. It usually takes a couple of years though.

ok when will there be a profit? or break even?

I don’t know. The enthusiasts say he’s profitable now, but all the media organizations who wish for it say otherwise. Hard to say.

will know this quarter

Yeah. That will be interesting.