a stoic, chiefly tear

But then we have to factor in cultural perception in a modern sense, like pop music

stoic, chiefly tear

ahaha

All you have to do to make me cry is play Tears In Heaven

Is that the song about Clapton's son?

yeah

it didn't used to affect me but for SOME reason now it makes me bawl like a baby

That's more of a statement about gravity and science

sorry, I am Canadian

That song does hit me hard too

I didn't even know what it was about until recently

For me though, this one does that to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_uGcW-v5EI

oh yeah I know that song

listening

been a while since I've heard it

Never knew my Dad, at all. Native nigga was never there, but I still feel emotion when I hear this track

probably more so if anything

about what you're missing

that sucks man sorry

His absence probably helps me make my native jokes

Definitely helps me make jokes about black fatherlessness

mmm good fiddle and guitar on that track

But all jokes aside

you know you're not going to put all jokes aside

XD

Fatherlessness I feel is a huge contributing factor to what we hear described as the "crisis of masculinity" that is more oft attributed to media hating women etc etc etc

I agree

I am eternally grateful for my dad

Grateful Fred

if his name is actually Fred, lol

I think men build a shallow, caricatured version of masculinity when they don't have guidance

well boys really

How much of that is guided by WHAT, is what is up for debate

what do you mean?

When we in my opinion live in a gynocentric society where men and boys are treated as disposable or deficient, because women and girls deserve more attention....

It can't be good

oh

yes, that is part of the problem

it's a complicated disease