they make it harder to defend yourself because they are more likely to be in the hands of the attacker than the defender

i'm more likely to win i a fight in my home without guns involved than with - and the likelyhood of serious injury is also decreased by not involving guns.

if i could make sure that ONLY defenders have guns... sure... might be an argument... since that is not possible i'd rather not have them involved at all.

I'm not sure about your claim *"they are more likely to be in the hands of the attacker than the defender"* but let's give it to you in my ignorance. However I think you have a perspective problem, specifically when you say "**i'm** *more likely to win i a fight in my home without guns involved than with"* But we are not talking about you as an individual, we are talking about the average citizen. Do you contest that an 80 year old grandmother is *more likely to win a fight with guns* than without? (ofc this is a random example, but I am using this to show your claim isn't always true. Nor do I think it is true for the general public)

in that example... yes i would contest that... they can't even drive anymore 😄

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how about this: are they more likely to win a gun fight or a knife fight?

neither

they will lose both

they can be rather unlikely to win both, but I'm just asking which is more likely

even if it's 10% compared to 5%

from the setup of my question you already know I will say the gun fight. They just need one good shot on the burglar. They will *almost never* win a physical fight against an intruder.

depends on the circumstance... in my home the knife fight, at my parents the gun fight

how are those circumstances different? (I am not you :P)

layout of the house, visibility

if someone tries to break in at my home they lose an eye the moment they have opened the door 😄

you believe an 80 year old woman would be more likely to win a knife fight than a gun fight in your home because of the layout of the house...? 🤔

I would assume she just stays put and waits, tbh

i would assume she would rather move out than go up the stairs all the time 😄

regardless, ofc there are always more circumstances to consider that can change the conclusion. For the purposes of this conversation, do you see my general point? People who are very very unlikely (to impossible) to win a physical altercation will usually have a much higher chance at winning a gun fight. That is my point, and is something Matt has said in the past.

the general point, sure... i just see the downsides of allowing gun ownership outweighing the upsides. (and again: the assumption that you could get guns out of the hands of criminals in the US is just absurd which makes the conversation purely hypothetical anyway)

ofc, I never thought you were saying "let's take all the guns away". S'all good.

cool

now i go back to watching hour long dissections of legal documents 😄

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@Khan Khan... is it a clip or a magazine?

shhh I was asking Khan

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