sorry

should have said Christian 😛

i think religion played as an important role as farming did

10000 years

farming? never heard that one

now you have

i just broke your conditioning

Ok, so how farming?

if we were hunter gathers i think we would have different religion.

ya know food

at least that's my hypothesis

when an excess of food became avalible (farming) the oppertunity to persue other goals became present

well I guess I can see it.

religion in my mind is a product of civilization

if youre living with a few others, in a tight knit group, there isn't a need for ritual or belief to keep the cohesion

Farming means relying on each other for food > We must rely on each other to survive > Logically must come up with a morality that fosters group survival

The larger the group, the more you need a common factor to keep everyone in line

religion is a product of conecpts that cannot yet be ........rationalized..........explained.......understoood........sharable.......

But even nomadic tribes had large groups

i should ask what you consider a typical hunter/gatherer group size to be?

there were sun gods when we could not understand WHY the sun rose

probably anywhere from 10 to like 150

but in north america it was probably waaay more than that

hmm I take back my opinion then

i don't know what typical hunter/gatherer group size is. there are very few of them left now a days. we should look at them. maybe it would give us some ideas

I can see how religion can form even in small groups

well yeah of course

but there's an easy way to have a shared moral code without religion

I agree

the question is how far back religion formed? homo erectus?

We don't want to die -> must rely on each other to not die -> must also trust each other to not die -> don't harm or betray other members of your species

religion formed......what does that mean?

ooh and there's also the whole thing about intersubjectivity

when religion appeared

You talking about in general or monotheistic?

ok, so define religion?

like theology?

https://www.google.com/search?q=religion+definition

a group of ppl believing in a diety?

that one

"the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."