there is no evidence one way or the other

well we cant study thought

or consciousness

I think religion is that compelling...

You only need evidence to prove positive claims, not to disprove them

biological.....concesious............its the same thing

I think the desire to believe in something greater is ingrained in humanity. Thats why Nietzsche said that with the death of god, humanity needs to find it's own purpose

*instict

consciousness is not the same as instinct

I belive its ingrained in humans because the birds believe in the rain god....

what makes you think the birds believe in the rain god?

but how do you know the birds believe in a rain god

perhaps is the god of harvest?

i dont know it

again

rain = worms = food

where does god come into that

maybe birds just believe in rain

lol

again, are birds even capable of believing

sorry, trying to flesh this out for myself

how can we prove that birds know the rain is what causes the worms to rise?

...thanks for being cool through the process >.<

maybe they just take advantage of the situation

or maybe they just learned to associate the rain with there being more worms

Im going to say the bird's parents were taught how to follow rains....

yeah and there is no need for belief for that to be true

there is no evidence that birds teach each other things

bird parents do not teach a fledgling to fly

wait don't hunting dogs teach their young how to hunt?

& due to a lack of a language to properly literate the conecpt, it isconcived as a religious rule.........not so much we do this because there are worms, but because we do this because my ancestors did it.....

Birds dont have a concept of behavior

they know parents, self, children, and others

knowledge is not passed down

it is through the flock

but the flock does not teach

the flock is there for instinctual reasons

ofc not the same way we pass down

ya, i see religion in that

I dunno, maybe there are natural learned behaviors but where does religion come into play what so ever?

they are performing rituals they dont understand for a greater good