Message from @Meiglos

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2018-06-15 02:47:06 UTC  

evidence?

2018-06-15 02:48:54 UTC  

i think our brains are too big. stuff starts to form on it's own. pattern recognition engine never stops to work. that's why so many people are susceptible to conspiracies and religion.

2018-06-15 02:49:37 UTC  

I think you could definitely say that there's an adaptive reason for that

2018-06-15 02:49:47 UTC  

but not a genetic one**

2018-06-15 02:50:01 UTC  

yeah beliefs and religion are not genetic

2018-06-15 02:50:08 UTC  

it would be a behavioral adaptation

2018-06-15 02:50:13 UTC  

fair enough eric.......but look at any animal........what they thrive for (an ideal) & the repeating (sorry should be better word).....actions they do....

2018-06-15 02:50:41 UTC  

I don't know if you could even say that animals "thrive"

2018-06-15 02:50:41 UTC  

a lot of what drives animals to do what they do is instinct

2018-06-15 02:50:56 UTC  

butterflies go to S. America........is it instinct, or religion?

2018-06-15 02:51:02 UTC  

just like we can't control vitamin D forming in our skin, we can't control patterns forming in our brains

2018-06-15 02:51:03 UTC  

instinct

2018-06-15 02:51:10 UTC  

why?

2018-06-15 02:51:13 UTC  

its like salmon spawning season

2018-06-15 02:51:16 UTC  

whats the difference?

2018-06-15 02:51:27 UTC  

I mean I love my dog, but my dog only loves me in so far as I can provide it food and shelter. That's instinct

2018-06-15 02:51:36 UTC  

religion requires the ability to abstract

2018-06-15 02:51:47 UTC  

There is a fat at the end of the river which the salmon cannot exlain, only that he knows he must go there

2018-06-15 02:51:59 UTC  

yeah thats instinct

2018-06-15 02:52:10 UTC  

you may not understand chuch but you know you should show up on sundays?

2018-06-15 02:52:16 UTC  

*god

2018-06-15 02:52:30 UTC  

Religion would be if the salmon actually had an inner monologue where it said that the end of the river is the path to righteousness

2018-06-15 02:52:52 UTC  

there is no evidence one way or the other

2018-06-15 02:53:08 UTC  

well we cant study thought

2018-06-15 02:53:13 UTC  

or consciousness

2018-06-15 02:53:14 UTC  

I think religion is that compelling...

2018-06-15 02:53:38 UTC  

You only need evidence to prove positive claims, not to disprove them

2018-06-15 02:53:43 UTC  

biological.....concesious............its the same thing

2018-06-15 02:53:59 UTC  

I think the desire to believe in something greater is ingrained in humanity. Thats why Nietzsche said that with the death of god, humanity needs to find it's own purpose

2018-06-15 02:54:00 UTC  

*instict

2018-06-15 02:54:15 UTC  

consciousness is not the same as instinct

2018-06-15 02:54:34 UTC  

I belive its ingrained in humans because the birds believe in the rain god....

2018-06-15 02:54:51 UTC  

what makes you think the birds believe in the rain god?

2018-06-15 02:54:57 UTC  

but how do you know the birds believe in a rain god

2018-06-15 02:55:04 UTC  

perhaps is the god of harvest?

2018-06-15 02:55:07 UTC  

i dont know it

2018-06-15 02:55:12 UTC  

again

2018-06-15 02:55:21 UTC  

rain = worms = food

2018-06-15 02:55:33 UTC  

where does god come into that

2018-06-15 02:55:57 UTC  

maybe birds just believe in rain

2018-06-15 02:56:03 UTC  

lol