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hierarchies are just a way of ranking one thing as better than another, but you don't need belief for that

you are a small wolf, there are other wolves but they are all larger

therefore you are bottom wolf

no belief necessary

Eric - you contradicted yourself......you need to believe one thing is better than the other.....

there is no belief behind knowing one is better than another

ahhh but the female wolf has to choose who to mate with

you don't "believe" it, you just behave within the constructs of the hierarchy

there is a belif there

how about a 200m race

5 people run it and they all come in different places

this is a heirarchy

you have to be capable of complex thought to be capable of belief

is it the silkiest coat.........the biggst? the stealthiest.........but thats what makes us different.....the values we choose

animals dont necessarily choose

but lobsters don't choose those values, they just naturally behave within that structure

they instinctually go for whoever is at the top of the heirarchy

foxes choose looks over pack benifits, husky's choose thick coats......

the lobster isn't thinking "i'm gonna mate with the biggest lobster," it's just naturally and instinctively choosing to mate with whatever has the greatest chance for successful procreation

hyenas choose jaw strenghth over running!

boom

but those thick coats aren't chosen because they believe anything, they just choose them because they instinctively are attracted to thicker coats

hyenas dont need to run

they rely on packs and strong jaws to get a kill

hyenas are instinctively attracted to hyenas with tougher jaws, no belief required

there is a reason hyenas have 10x the jaw strenght, but run slower than most dog species

because of evolution

it would be like saying cheetahs choose speed over strength

they don't choose those things, it just happens that the ones that survived the game of life had those qualities

because momma hyena didnt run & grandpa neither,,,,,,

they dont choose it, it's the attribute they find most appealing

or the attribute that keeps them alive

exactly & those are religion

no because there is no belief behind it

are you famuilar w/ malaria?

mal = bad, aria = air

bad air

thats etomology

we still diagnose ppl w/ 'bad air'

so what?