Message from @Meiglos

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2018-06-15 03:06:56 UTC  

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2018-06-15 03:07:10 UTC  

you cannot say there are heriarchies in sponges

2018-06-15 03:07:30 UTC  

there are hierarchies in religion, there's no religion in hierarchies

2018-06-15 03:07:35 UTC  

heirarchies require a belief.....something is better than something else.....

2018-06-15 03:07:40 UTC  

no they don't

2018-06-15 03:07:45 UTC  

no heriarchies do not require belief

2018-06-15 03:07:55 UTC  

'splain

2018-06-15 03:08:05 UTC  

hierarchies are just a way of ranking one thing as better than another, but you don't need belief for that

2018-06-15 03:08:12 UTC  

you are a small wolf, there are other wolves but they are all larger

2018-06-15 03:08:17 UTC  

therefore you are bottom wolf

2018-06-15 03:08:22 UTC  

no belief necessary

2018-06-15 03:08:50 UTC  

Eric - you contradicted yourself......you need to believe one thing is better than the other.....

2018-06-15 03:09:14 UTC  

there is no belief behind knowing one is better than another

2018-06-15 03:09:15 UTC  

ahhh but the female wolf has to choose who to mate with

2018-06-15 03:09:16 UTC  

you don't "believe" it, you just behave within the constructs of the hierarchy

2018-06-15 03:09:26 UTC  

there is a belif there

2018-06-15 03:09:45 UTC  

how about a 200m race

2018-06-15 03:09:56 UTC  

5 people run it and they all come in different places

2018-06-15 03:10:04 UTC  

this is a heirarchy

2018-06-15 03:10:06 UTC  

you have to be capable of complex thought to be capable of belief

2018-06-15 03:10:23 UTC  

is it the silkiest coat.........the biggst? the stealthiest.........but thats what makes us different.....the values we choose

2018-06-15 03:10:46 UTC  

animals dont necessarily choose

2018-06-15 03:10:58 UTC  

but lobsters don't choose those values, they just naturally behave within that structure

2018-06-15 03:11:02 UTC  

they instinctually go for whoever is at the top of the heirarchy

2018-06-15 03:11:16 UTC  

foxes choose looks over pack benifits, husky's choose thick coats......

2018-06-15 03:11:42 UTC  

the lobster isn't thinking "i'm gonna mate with the biggest lobster," it's just naturally and instinctively choosing to mate with whatever has the greatest chance for successful procreation

2018-06-15 03:12:07 UTC  

hyenas choose jaw strenghth over running!

2018-06-15 03:12:10 UTC  

boom

2018-06-15 03:12:23 UTC  

but those thick coats aren't chosen because they believe anything, they just choose them because they instinctively are attracted to thicker coats

2018-06-15 03:12:25 UTC  

hyenas dont need to run

2018-06-15 03:12:39 UTC  

they rely on packs and strong jaws to get a kill

2018-06-15 03:12:43 UTC  

hyenas are instinctively attracted to hyenas with tougher jaws, no belief required

2018-06-15 03:12:45 UTC  

there is a reason hyenas have 10x the jaw strenght, but run slower than most dog species

2018-06-15 03:12:55 UTC  

because of evolution

2018-06-15 03:12:55 UTC  

it would be like saying cheetahs choose speed over strength

2018-06-15 03:13:15 UTC  

they don't choose those things, it just happens that the ones that survived the game of life had those qualities

2018-06-15 03:13:24 UTC  

because momma hyena didnt run & grandpa neither,,,,,,

2018-06-15 03:13:30 UTC  

they dont choose it, it's the attribute they find most appealing

2018-06-15 03:13:40 UTC  

or the attribute that keeps them alive

2018-06-15 03:13:53 UTC  

exactly & those are religion

2018-06-15 03:14:06 UTC  

no because there is no belief behind it