knowledge is not passed down

it is through the flock

but the flock does not teach

the flock is there for instinctual reasons

ofc not the same way we pass down

ya, i see religion in that

I dunno, maybe there are natural learned behaviors but where does religion come into play what so ever?

they are performing rituals they dont understand for a greater good

religion requires belief in a god or gods, there is no way to prove that birds believe in a god or gods, let alone if they can even conceptualize what a god is

Well no, they are learning behaviors because they see what works, and the greatest good to them is what ever keeps them alive

eric your starting to get it

the greatest good = religion

I didn't say that

i did

I don't follow that logic

religion = prrof of concept?

?

belief in a greatest good could be considered religion

but that requires belief

but you can't even say that there is belief

pna get it!

so what do you think, am i crazy.???

im not talking about birds

anyways, great convo guys, thanks for entertaining me 😃

with people sure, but with instinctive animals no way

again, religion and belief are purly human conceptions

JPB?

Heirichys are present in lobsters?

but heirarchies aren't beliefs

heirarchies are social status

and social species have been around for millenia

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you cannot say there are heriarchies in sponges

there are hierarchies in religion, there's no religion in hierarchies

heirarchies require a belief.....something is better than something else.....

no they don't

no heriarchies do not require belief

'splain

hierarchies are just a way of ranking one thing as better than another, but you don't need belief for that

you are a small wolf, there are other wolves but they are all larger

therefore you are bottom wolf