Message from @Meiglos

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2018-06-15 02:57:36 UTC  

or maybe they just learned to associate the rain with there being more worms

2018-06-15 02:57:52 UTC  

Im going to say the bird's parents were taught how to follow rains....

2018-06-15 02:57:54 UTC  

yeah and there is no need for belief for that to be true

2018-06-15 02:58:25 UTC  

there is no evidence that birds teach each other things

2018-06-15 02:58:46 UTC  

bird parents do not teach a fledgling to fly

2018-06-15 02:58:59 UTC  

wait don't hunting dogs teach their young how to hunt?

2018-06-15 02:59:04 UTC  

& due to a lack of a language to properly literate the conecpt, it isconcived as a religious rule.........not so much we do this because there are worms, but because we do this because my ancestors did it.....

2018-06-15 02:59:26 UTC  

Birds dont have a concept of behavior

2018-06-15 02:59:35 UTC  

they know parents, self, children, and others

2018-06-15 02:59:45 UTC  

knowledge is not passed down

2018-06-15 02:59:57 UTC  

it is through the flock

2018-06-15 03:00:07 UTC  

but the flock does not teach

2018-06-15 03:00:15 UTC  

the flock is there for instinctual reasons

2018-06-15 03:00:15 UTC  

ofc not the same way we pass down

2018-06-15 03:00:30 UTC  

ya, i see religion in that

2018-06-15 03:00:41 UTC  

I dunno, maybe there are natural learned behaviors but where does religion come into play what so ever?

2018-06-15 03:01:05 UTC  

they are performing rituals they dont understand for a greater good

2018-06-15 03:01:32 UTC  

religion requires belief in a god or gods, there is no way to prove that birds believe in a god or gods, let alone if they can even conceptualize what a god is

2018-06-15 03:01:48 UTC  

Well no, they are learning behaviors because they see what works, and the greatest good to them is what ever keeps them alive

2018-06-15 03:02:39 UTC  

eric your starting to get it

2018-06-15 03:03:01 UTC  

the greatest good = religion

2018-06-15 03:03:13 UTC  

I didn't say that

2018-06-15 03:03:16 UTC  

i did

2018-06-15 03:03:22 UTC  

I don't follow that logic

2018-06-15 03:03:55 UTC  

religion = prrof of concept?

2018-06-15 03:04:02 UTC  

?

2018-06-15 03:04:08 UTC  

belief in a greatest good could be considered religion

2018-06-15 03:04:18 UTC  

but that requires belief

2018-06-15 03:04:29 UTC  

but you can't even say that there is belief

2018-06-15 03:04:30 UTC  

pna get it!

2018-06-15 03:04:46 UTC  

so what do you think, am i crazy.???

2018-06-15 03:04:47 UTC  

im not talking about birds

2018-06-15 03:05:01 UTC  

anyways, great convo guys, thanks for entertaining me 😃

2018-06-15 03:05:02 UTC  

with people sure, but with instinctive animals no way

2018-06-15 03:05:06 UTC  

again, religion and belief are purly human conceptions

2018-06-15 03:05:29 UTC  

JPB?

2018-06-15 03:05:42 UTC  

Heirichys are present in lobsters?

2018-06-15 03:05:57 UTC  

but heirarchies aren't beliefs

2018-06-15 03:06:18 UTC  

heirarchies are social status

2018-06-15 03:06:50 UTC  

and social species have been around for millenia

2018-06-15 03:06:56 UTC  

^