Message from @Klutch

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2017-11-04 00:49:07 UTC  

People came to work for Henry Ford because he paid more, they did this voluntarily

2017-11-04 00:49:09 UTC  

Why would they have to, if their buddy in big oil company 1 is doing it. What motivation does big oil company 2 have to improve the situation

2017-11-04 00:49:17 UTC  

Not just a Libertarian, seems like an ancap

2017-11-04 00:49:33 UTC  

Why not collude together to keep the workers under their yoke

2017-11-04 00:49:39 UTC  

Jones, they don't have to work for an oil company

2017-11-04 00:50:02 UTC  

Venezuela is socialism

2017-11-04 00:50:08 UTC  

I know it's accelerated by brown people

2017-11-04 00:50:15 UTC  

But every socialist policy always fails

2017-11-04 00:50:24 UTC  

Social security will run out by 2030

2017-11-04 00:50:27 UTC  

Venezuela is *Marxian* socialism

2017-11-04 00:50:27 UTC  

So will Medicare

2017-11-04 00:50:37 UTC  

Venezuela failed because they focused their entire company around the export of Oil

2017-11-04 00:50:47 UTC  

Welfare and big government in any dorm is socialist

2017-11-04 00:51:06 UTC  

And when the Oil prices crashed in 2015, which mind you also effected many oil companies in primarily capitalist countries, this effected them deeply

2017-11-04 00:51:11 UTC  

There are different types of socialism. There's is communist. Ours is economic Third Position

2017-11-04 00:51:34 UTC  

You're pointing towards one aspect of the Venuzuelian economy and ignoring others

2017-11-04 00:52:11 UTC  

Alberta is a fairly capiatalistic province of Canada that faced pretty high unemployment during this time as well because their local economy was built on oil

2017-11-04 00:52:32 UTC  

I agree

2017-11-04 00:52:37 UTC  

Meaning

2017-11-04 00:52:45 UTC  

Building your society around one product is risky

2017-11-04 00:53:06 UTC  

What happens when oil prices fall, is resources leave oil and will go to more profitable ventures

2017-11-04 00:53:19 UTC  

Except that's not what's happening

2017-11-04 00:53:34 UTC  

because oil companies are cock blocking every attempt at alternative energies they can

2017-11-04 00:53:53 UTC  

Instead we are investing more and more money for less and less return in more dangerous methods of extracting oil

2017-11-04 00:54:08 UTC  

By what mechanism are they preventing other sources of energy

2017-11-04 00:55:25 UTC  

Cockblocking any legislation in government that would fund or allow grants for companies seeking to research altnerative energy, copy righting methods and other means of R&D into these energies. Invesiting millions into ads and public relations to scare us off from the idea of nuclear energy, electric cars, etc.

2017-11-04 00:55:51 UTC  

And again we see government is the roadblock

2017-11-04 00:56:10 UTC  

Government is also the middleman from them just doing these things themselves

2017-11-04 00:56:42 UTC  

Would you agree that a large portion of welfare recipients in America are parasites

2017-11-04 00:56:47 UTC  

No

2017-11-04 00:56:58 UTC  

Meaning they are able and capable of working but they don't because why bother

2017-11-04 00:56:59 UTC  

A small portion

2017-11-04 00:57:15 UTC  

Most welfare recipients are non white. They aren't parasites?

2017-11-04 00:57:50 UTC  

Many lifers exist in welfare because they hit a road block. Where its more profitable to stay at a certain income level while receiving welfare, than to receive a dollar or two raise in pay, but lose the welfare

2017-11-04 00:58:09 UTC  

They suffer under a broken system that exists and benefits from keeping them in service

2017-11-04 00:58:10 UTC  

Yes, that's the welfare cliff

2017-11-04 00:58:32 UTC  

And this culture we have promotes pleasure and the individual needs above collective good. When we implement cultural changes to promote community and family, people won't want to be parasites

2017-11-04 00:58:33 UTC  

But it's false to compare this to national socialism

2017-11-04 00:58:34 UTC  

It creates a perverse incentive to not work longer hours & avoid pay raises

2017-11-04 00:58:53 UTC  

If we eliminate welfare, people won't have the possibility to be parasites

2017-11-04 00:59:24 UTC  

Either be productive or starve. If you are a legitimate victim, then private charity can fill in. It's not moral if I'm forced to give money at the point of a gun