Need her to lose weight tho

You gotta love yourself and stay Rock solid in who you are

And I also get being frustrated with where things are at. I've also had some good chances to get tail but I made a commitment and I'm sticking to that.

@Bodark Actual word. Itll figure itself out eventually. Self correcting issue. Just cant have kids till it gets figured out

Kids wont fix shit, I know that for a fact. And with uncle sam being a sugar daddy, if shit got worse and we had kids, I'd be fucked.

@Bodark Actual also hardest shit in the world is getting a comfortable woman to go to the gym.

@mcguyver123 don't have kids they will inherent her worst qualities right now lol

And yes I agree

@mcguyver123 I'm always here for you bro....

Oh yeah, we broin down

@mcguyver123 is zen af. I've trolled him in real life for half a year to no avail. Really admire that about him. I mean, I know deep down I'm wearing down his armor. Death by a thousand cuts and what not, but he has shown great resilience thus far.

Anyways, @mcguyver123 have you tried beating your wife mercilessly till you pass out, regardless of whether or not she's still conscious? Lol jk

Bro, she is an attention freak. Self victimization is her style of manipulation. "Woe is me"=pity for her. You have a caring soul, bro. You are a wingman at heart, as am I, as well as @Deadbeat Radio . We are attractive to these personality types because they can garner compassion from us easily. And you're getting burned out because it's not really a problem that needs to be solved, it's her style of manipulation to get that compassion, attention, and makes for a good excuse. How would she get those things if she "fixed" herself? This isn't something for you to fix, it's more a matter of her taking responsibility for her own desires and long term actions. Which how likely do you think that will happen after 8 long years of her playing this game successfully with you? Men manipulate in a straightforward manner, we say what we mean upfront. Women, however, play a more subtle game, a more persuasive game, because they are physically lessers. But they have tits, ass, pussy and know men love to play the white knight. She'll play off your compassion to continue her stagnation because she's not a fighter at heart. She's the chronic damsel in distress. She's learned to survive by always needing to be rescued, rather than learning to rescue herself.

@slvr_neo good points.

May need to evaluate how I've handled everything for the last so many years

And shes good when she needs to be is the thing. Does dinner, does chores for the most part, will do usual woman "suprise I done this to the house" stuff

All good points yes

None of that Matters if she's a bitch and a half to deal with and you're not interested in smashing

But fuck it still makes me nervous to have kids with the disconnect on philosophy

And will power

Fair on the smash part too

>neo typing

Hit enter occasionally so I'm not reading a large block text lol

She does those things to appease you when she senses she's pushed you to the edge. Hence the roller coaster. She's right back at the status quote after a short intermission.

@slvr_neo correct as fuck

Kids...oof.... different philosophies on a fundamental level would eat you alive because you'll want to pass on your wisdom to your children..

But her playing the victim will make you seem like the bad guy in the kids eyes

And unfortunately they will pick up on those traits from her as well, as children tend to cling to their mothers

Right

All things to consider

@slvr_neo would those philosophies be able to be changed?

Not if they are deep set for a long period of time. It would require something drastic. Like her environment requiring her to rely on herself, and no one else. Again, it's been her survival tactic

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I'm trackin

You survive from strength from within, and networking with people who share those qualities. She survives by piggy backing off those types of people by playing off their compassion.

That's why I've been telling you to just do you rn Mac

It'll force her into that

She's never had to try another tactic

Been doin me buddy.... maybe I've been slippin?

@slvr_neo yeah, you're probably right on that.

Riddle me this, has she ever lived alone for an extended period of time?

@slvr_neo no.

Been with her since grade 10

@slvr_neo only bf she ever had.

I've had several ex gfs.

And before you she was with gaurdians?

@slvr_neo yup