Message from @Tervy

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2017-03-12 18:38:12 UTC  

just speaking from knowledge (used to work at town hall and saw the papers more than once from local rays work)

2017-03-12 18:39:42 UTC  

just that the list of places the money goes is like 2-3 pages long

2017-03-12 18:39:53 UTC  

and the ammounts are relatively small to each group

2017-03-12 18:40:21 UTC  

usualy the Blind,invalids and mental ilness help gets most of it

2017-03-12 18:40:36 UTC  

sure there are places where id love to cut the moneyflow too

2017-03-12 18:41:17 UTC  

(SPR,politicaly 1 sided corporations,church stuyff,etc etc etc)

2017-03-12 18:42:03 UTC  

on that church stuff im not really sure

2017-03-12 18:42:17 UTC  

even tho its forced on many people it still helps fuck ton of people by food-aid and such

2017-03-12 18:42:30 UTC  

and the food-aid lines are growing longer and longer each year

2017-03-12 18:42:35 UTC  

that is quite sad sight to see

2017-03-12 18:48:18 UTC  

also those who get the money need to report to Goverment where and how every single cent was used

2017-03-12 18:48:45 UTC  

ammount of checked corporations is around 800 per year

2017-03-12 18:49:06 UTC  

Should welfare, social work, food aid, housing really be left to undemocratic NGO's instead of state and municipalities? I simply think that would the money, which is essentially like tax money, be used by public sector, instead of third sector, it would be spent better.

2017-03-12 18:49:35 UTC  

they are under state good sir

2017-03-12 18:49:51 UTC  

ray is just way of sharing the control smaller autonomoys patches

2017-03-12 18:51:05 UTC  

giving what ? 250 million euros around the place where largest yearly donation to single entity (y-säätiö in this case what gives housing and "first aid" to homeless and thrown out people) is mere 5 million or so

2017-03-12 18:51:31 UTC  

imagine the workhours at "large house" when they would be required to vote about that shit

2017-03-12 18:51:48 UTC  

these NGO's are private organizations, they might report how they spend their money to the state, but that does not make them "under state"

2017-03-12 18:51:51 UTC  

somethings are just easier to solve when made in to corporate enviroment

2017-03-12 18:52:17 UTC  

well yes they are not under state.. if their tax or other stuff fails they dont get single penny

2017-03-12 18:52:25 UTC  

so they really do have incentive to spend it to good

2017-03-12 18:52:31 UTC  

and not just on their own "salaries"

2017-03-12 18:52:44 UTC  

its under pretty big microscope

2017-03-12 18:52:57 UTC  

some organizations have denied the money

2017-03-12 18:53:07 UTC  

just cause how much work it causes for them

2017-03-12 18:53:46 UTC  

and rays money are nothing like "tax" money

2017-03-12 18:54:10 UTC  

they take their salaries,equipment cost,necesary running costs

2017-03-12 18:54:16 UTC  

and rest goes to charity like that

2017-03-12 18:54:30 UTC  

and every single organization can get it if they aply for it

2017-03-12 18:55:09 UTC  

sure it would be fun to watch if state just whipped couple billion euros and shared them to org

2017-03-12 18:55:21 UTC  

and did the "out of thin air" money magic every time

2017-03-12 18:55:39 UTC  

well sure, you might have convinced me that the money goes to "good use", but I still dont get why they need to be private charities, instead of state and municipalities. We have welfare state where the state provides housing, welfare, medical help and social work, would it not simply be more efficient to do everything under the welfare state, instead of splitting it to smaller charities?

2017-03-12 18:55:42 UTC  

world just does not sadly work like that

2017-03-12 18:56:01 UTC  

Alko, which is another monopoly, returns all profit to the state

2017-03-12 18:56:12 UTC  

Ray could simply do the same

2017-03-12 18:56:14 UTC  

im not so sure about this but giving some power to "RAY" to choose private org

2017-03-12 18:56:27 UTC  

might be "legal loophole" for state to support those groups

2017-03-12 18:56:49 UTC  

as state cant directly support private organization by default here

2017-03-12 18:56:58 UTC  

(i might be wrong on that one i need to check it)

2017-03-12 18:57:18 UTC  

Alko is dying business model anyway

2017-03-12 18:58:10 UTC  

if you want boring night read https://cms.veikkaus.fi/site/binaries/content/assets/dokumentit/vuosikertomus/ray/ray_vastuu_vuosiraportti_2016.pdf theres the yearly report (it actualy was quite hidden)