they give gov list > gov gives back a list >they choose from that iirc

you worked for RAY?

I have friend working for them, he defends the system just as fervently

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@testtest nope never ever have been related to their work

just speaking from knowledge (used to work at town hall and saw the papers more than once from local rays work)

just that the list of places the money goes is like 2-3 pages long

and the ammounts are relatively small to each group

usualy the Blind,invalids and mental ilness help gets most of it

sure there are places where id love to cut the moneyflow too

(SPR,politicaly 1 sided corporations,church stuyff,etc etc etc)

on that church stuff im not really sure

even tho its forced on many people it still helps fuck ton of people by food-aid and such

and the food-aid lines are growing longer and longer each year

that is quite sad sight to see

also those who get the money need to report to Goverment where and how every single cent was used

ammount of checked corporations is around 800 per year

Should welfare, social work, food aid, housing really be left to undemocratic NGO's instead of state and municipalities? I simply think that would the money, which is essentially like tax money, be used by public sector, instead of third sector, it would be spent better.

they are under state good sir

ray is just way of sharing the control smaller autonomoys patches

giving what ? 250 million euros around the place where largest yearly donation to single entity (y-säätiö in this case what gives housing and "first aid" to homeless and thrown out people) is mere 5 million or so

imagine the workhours at "large house" when they would be required to vote about that shit

these NGO's are private organizations, they might report how they spend their money to the state, but that does not make them "under state"

somethings are just easier to solve when made in to corporate enviroment

well yes they are not under state.. if their tax or other stuff fails they dont get single penny

so they really do have incentive to spend it to good

and not just on their own "salaries"

its under pretty big microscope

some organizations have denied the money

just cause how much work it causes for them

and rays money are nothing like "tax" money

they take their salaries,equipment cost,necesary running costs

and rest goes to charity like that

and every single organization can get it if they aply for it

sure it would be fun to watch if state just whipped couple billion euros and shared them to org

and did the "out of thin air" money magic every time

well sure, you might have convinced me that the money goes to "good use", but I still dont get why they need to be private charities, instead of state and municipalities. We have welfare state where the state provides housing, welfare, medical help and social work, would it not simply be more efficient to do everything under the welfare state, instead of splitting it to smaller charities?

world just does not sadly work like that

Alko, which is another monopoly, returns all profit to the state

Ray could simply do the same