Message from @Tervy

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2017-03-12 18:21:42 UTC  

why not return the money to government, instead of let the RAY local bosses choose random "charities" to donate to

2017-03-12 18:21:54 UTC  

and on side gather money from those who enjoy some gamble time to time

2017-03-12 18:22:09 UTC  

its actualy damn large list where the RAYs money go

2017-03-12 18:22:16 UTC  

they dont really choose it

2017-03-12 18:22:19 UTC  

gov.does

2017-03-12 18:23:00 UTC  

they give gov list > gov gives back a list >they choose from that iirc

2017-03-12 18:24:16 UTC  

you worked for RAY?

2017-03-12 18:24:57 UTC  

I have friend working for them, he defends the system just as fervently

2017-03-12 18:34:56 UTC  

keep this chat /csg/ related folks

2017-03-12 18:35:01 UTC  

we have <#189467888657235970>

2017-03-12 18:37:51 UTC  

@testtest nope never ever have been related to their work

2017-03-12 18:38:12 UTC  

just speaking from knowledge (used to work at town hall and saw the papers more than once from local rays work)

2017-03-12 18:39:42 UTC  

just that the list of places the money goes is like 2-3 pages long

2017-03-12 18:39:53 UTC  

and the ammounts are relatively small to each group

2017-03-12 18:40:21 UTC  

usualy the Blind,invalids and mental ilness help gets most of it

2017-03-12 18:40:36 UTC  

sure there are places where id love to cut the moneyflow too

2017-03-12 18:41:17 UTC  

(SPR,politicaly 1 sided corporations,church stuyff,etc etc etc)

2017-03-12 18:42:03 UTC  

on that church stuff im not really sure

2017-03-12 18:42:17 UTC  

even tho its forced on many people it still helps fuck ton of people by food-aid and such

2017-03-12 18:42:30 UTC  

and the food-aid lines are growing longer and longer each year

2017-03-12 18:42:35 UTC  

that is quite sad sight to see

2017-03-12 18:48:18 UTC  

also those who get the money need to report to Goverment where and how every single cent was used

2017-03-12 18:48:45 UTC  

ammount of checked corporations is around 800 per year

2017-03-12 18:49:06 UTC  

Should welfare, social work, food aid, housing really be left to undemocratic NGO's instead of state and municipalities? I simply think that would the money, which is essentially like tax money, be used by public sector, instead of third sector, it would be spent better.

2017-03-12 18:49:35 UTC  

they are under state good sir

2017-03-12 18:49:51 UTC  

ray is just way of sharing the control smaller autonomoys patches

2017-03-12 18:51:05 UTC  

giving what ? 250 million euros around the place where largest yearly donation to single entity (y-säätiö in this case what gives housing and "first aid" to homeless and thrown out people) is mere 5 million or so

2017-03-12 18:51:31 UTC  

imagine the workhours at "large house" when they would be required to vote about that shit

2017-03-12 18:51:48 UTC  

these NGO's are private organizations, they might report how they spend their money to the state, but that does not make them "under state"

2017-03-12 18:51:51 UTC  

somethings are just easier to solve when made in to corporate enviroment

2017-03-12 18:52:17 UTC  

well yes they are not under state.. if their tax or other stuff fails they dont get single penny

2017-03-12 18:52:25 UTC  

so they really do have incentive to spend it to good

2017-03-12 18:52:31 UTC  

and not just on their own "salaries"

2017-03-12 18:52:44 UTC  

its under pretty big microscope

2017-03-12 18:52:57 UTC  

some organizations have denied the money

2017-03-12 18:53:07 UTC  

just cause how much work it causes for them

2017-03-12 18:53:46 UTC  

and rays money are nothing like "tax" money

2017-03-12 18:54:10 UTC  

they take their salaries,equipment cost,necesary running costs

2017-03-12 18:54:16 UTC  

and rest goes to charity like that

2017-03-12 18:54:30 UTC  

and every single organization can get it if they aply for it

2017-03-12 18:55:09 UTC  

sure it would be fun to watch if state just whipped couple billion euros and shared them to org