Message from Jones Malone in tradworker #tradworker


2017-11-04 00:17:30 UTC  

Gibs isnt socialism

2017-11-04 00:17:38 UTC  

Massive government, massive taxation, massive welfare state

2017-11-04 00:17:39 UTC  

It's anti-nationalist

2017-11-04 00:17:48 UTC  

Okay, how would you define socialism

2017-11-04 00:18:09 UTC  

I'm not trying to argue in a hostile way, I want to know what you mean by socialist

2017-11-04 00:18:41 UTC  

Socialism is the state working for the people to provide them the basic needs they have. It's the people working together towards a common good. Hitler said "I do not ask for the rich to give to the poor. I ask for the German to give to his fellow German."

2017-11-04 00:18:50 UTC  

And nah you're good man. You can ask questions

2017-11-04 00:19:10 UTC  

"providing basic needs" such as?

2017-11-04 00:19:18 UTC  

The problem with capitalism is that it promotes a self serving and ultimately self destructive belief system.

2017-11-04 00:19:31 UTC  

Basic needs such as power, water, social safety nets, healthcare, etc.

2017-11-04 00:19:51 UTC  

That's welfare, though

2017-11-04 00:20:01 UTC  

Which isn't inherently gibs.

2017-11-04 00:20:01 UTC  

It is

2017-11-04 00:20:24 UTC  

Of course the social safety nets in our country have been exploited and abused. This is intentional by the system

2017-11-04 00:20:32 UTC  

But that doesn't mean they are inherently flawed

2017-11-04 00:20:37 UTC  

Welfare itself isn't a dirty word

2017-11-04 00:20:48 UTC  

Under capitalism, the only way to get rich is by giving people products and services they want. Under socialism, you can be an asshole and the government will still subsidize you

2017-11-04 00:20:54 UTC  

Thats false

2017-11-04 00:21:08 UTC  

You can be a complete leech in capitalism and become rich

2017-11-04 00:21:15 UTC  

How?

2017-11-04 00:21:34 UTC  

What do the infinite number of traders, bankers, and brokers really do for our people?

2017-11-04 00:21:42 UTC  

National Socialism also combines with cultural reforms to promote the value of hard work and contributing to society

2017-11-04 00:21:52 UTC  

Thats why those two are so important together

2017-11-04 00:22:15 UTC  

Of course socialism without the National promotes leeches because they don't care who they are stealing from

2017-11-04 00:22:19 UTC  

Well, I have a 1.3m loan from a bank. I used it to buy a 20 unit apartment complex. I'm providing housing for 20 people, they voluntarily give me money each month, I voluntarily pay the bank interest, and I still make a profit. Everyone wins

2017-11-04 00:22:41 UTC  

But that's not what I asked. I didn't ask what a landlord did

2017-11-04 00:22:55 UTC  

We wouldn't have so many banks and they wouldn't be nearly this large, if not for the federal reserve, which was created by the government

2017-11-04 00:22:58 UTC  

Are you charging a fair price, or exploiting them?

2017-11-04 00:23:07 UTC  

Usury needs to be banned

2017-11-04 00:23:18 UTC  

A fair price is whatever someone is willing to pay

2017-11-04 00:23:25 UTC  

No

2017-11-04 00:23:25 UTC  

The Church considered Usury to be sinful for centuries. It's making money from nothing

2017-11-04 00:23:45 UTC  

And they let Jews become Bankers and here we are. Banning usury was a mistake. But that's another issue

2017-11-04 00:23:59 UTC  

Desperate people are willing to pay more, that doesn't mean it's right to charge someone extra when they're vulnerable and can't say no

2017-11-04 00:24:03 UTC  

They let the Jews exist in their societies as an internal clique. Thats the mistake. Not banning usury lol

2017-11-04 00:24:43 UTC  

What do you mean by desperate? If the rent is too high, they can move to a less nice apartment

2017-11-04 00:25:01 UTC  

Banning usury would have worked if they banned it for everyone, not just Christians

2017-11-04 00:25:12 UTC  

Ok. So now you and the other slum lords get together. And decide this is the minimum price you will charge

2017-11-04 00:25:22 UTC  

Moving isn't always feasible

2017-11-04 00:25:54 UTC  

Also socialism isn't communism. You are allowed property, the right to own your own business, to profit, etc.

2017-11-04 00:26:02 UTC  

Sometimes people have no other option