Message from @Hadrian

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2017-11-04 00:20:24 UTC  

Of course the social safety nets in our country have been exploited and abused. This is intentional by the system

2017-11-04 00:20:32 UTC  

But that doesn't mean they are inherently flawed

2017-11-04 00:20:37 UTC  

Welfare itself isn't a dirty word

2017-11-04 00:20:48 UTC  

Under capitalism, the only way to get rich is by giving people products and services they want. Under socialism, you can be an asshole and the government will still subsidize you

2017-11-04 00:20:54 UTC  

Thats false

2017-11-04 00:21:08 UTC  

You can be a complete leech in capitalism and become rich

2017-11-04 00:21:15 UTC  

How?

2017-11-04 00:21:34 UTC  

What do the infinite number of traders, bankers, and brokers really do for our people?

2017-11-04 00:21:42 UTC  

National Socialism also combines with cultural reforms to promote the value of hard work and contributing to society

2017-11-04 00:21:52 UTC  

Thats why those two are so important together

2017-11-04 00:22:15 UTC  

Of course socialism without the National promotes leeches because they don't care who they are stealing from

2017-11-04 00:22:19 UTC  

Well, I have a 1.3m loan from a bank. I used it to buy a 20 unit apartment complex. I'm providing housing for 20 people, they voluntarily give me money each month, I voluntarily pay the bank interest, and I still make a profit. Everyone wins

2017-11-04 00:22:41 UTC  

But that's not what I asked. I didn't ask what a landlord did

2017-11-04 00:22:55 UTC  

We wouldn't have so many banks and they wouldn't be nearly this large, if not for the federal reserve, which was created by the government

2017-11-04 00:22:58 UTC  

Are you charging a fair price, or exploiting them?

2017-11-04 00:23:07 UTC  

Usury needs to be banned

2017-11-04 00:23:18 UTC  

A fair price is whatever someone is willing to pay

2017-11-04 00:23:25 UTC  

No

2017-11-04 00:23:25 UTC  

The Church considered Usury to be sinful for centuries. It's making money from nothing

2017-11-04 00:23:45 UTC  

And they let Jews become Bankers and here we are. Banning usury was a mistake. But that's another issue

2017-11-04 00:23:59 UTC  

Desperate people are willing to pay more, that doesn't mean it's right to charge someone extra when they're vulnerable and can't say no

2017-11-04 00:24:03 UTC  

They let the Jews exist in their societies as an internal clique. Thats the mistake. Not banning usury lol

2017-11-04 00:24:43 UTC  

What do you mean by desperate? If the rent is too high, they can move to a less nice apartment

2017-11-04 00:25:01 UTC  

Banning usury would have worked if they banned it for everyone, not just Christians

2017-11-04 00:25:12 UTC  

Ok. So now you and the other slum lords get together. And decide this is the minimum price you will charge

2017-11-04 00:25:22 UTC  

Moving isn't always feasible

2017-11-04 00:25:54 UTC  

Also socialism isn't communism. You are allowed property, the right to own your own business, to profit, etc.

2017-11-04 00:26:02 UTC  

Sometimes people have no other option

2017-11-04 00:26:09 UTC  

It's just that you can't directly spread poison to your countrymen or exploit them

2017-11-04 00:26:33 UTC  

I appreciate being called a slum lord. Lol.

Okay, so me and 4 other landlords decide to all raise our rents. So an entrepreneur comes along, sees a demand for affordable housing, buys/builds apartments and charges lower rent. Me and the other "greedy" landlords lose all our tenants and we're out of business

2017-11-04 00:26:54 UTC  

Okay. So now you collude with the local government to block his permit to build

2017-11-04 00:27:08 UTC  

These are things that have actually happened

2017-11-04 00:27:12 UTC  

I agree, government shouldn't have that power

2017-11-04 00:27:15 UTC  

I'm not trolling

2017-11-04 00:27:19 UTC  

I know you're not

2017-11-04 00:27:33 UTC  

Okay so who should decide who builds where

2017-11-04 00:27:35 UTC  

If we remove form government the power to block business and grant monopolies then that problem won't arise

2017-11-04 00:28:01 UTC  

Okay so you and the other local landlords present a higher bid than the entrepeneur can afford on the land to build

2017-11-04 00:28:10 UTC  

If you own land, you should be able to do whatever you want with it, with the exception of any covenants you've entered into. For example, if I buy a home in an explicitly all white/Anglo neighborhood, I can't sell my home to any non whites

2017-11-04 00:28:22 UTC  

All of that is voluntary and doesn't require government force

2017-11-04 00:28:42 UTC  

A capitalist society promotes exploitation and will always end up where we are now.