Message from Klutch in tradworker #tradworker


2017-11-04 01:21:29 UTC  

A monopoly only exists if it prevents competition from entering the market. Monopolies only exist because of the government

2017-11-04 01:21:42 UTC  

Standard Oil prevented other companies from entering the makret

2017-11-04 01:21:46 UTC  

That's simply not true

2017-11-04 01:21:51 UTC  

This argument is getting really circular

2017-11-04 01:21:57 UTC  

Lots of people pay more for "made in America" products. If I lived in a white ethnostate I would buy products made locally

2017-11-04 01:22:05 UTC  

If you could afford to

2017-11-04 01:22:35 UTC  

If you discover a way to make a product 100x cheaper than the next competitor, and you keep that production method to yourself, you're monopolizing the industry

2017-11-04 01:22:42 UTC  

Yeah I feel like we're seeing diminishing returns in this conversation

2017-11-04 01:23:11 UTC  

If I lived in the 1900s and had the resources to buy land & dig for oil, how would the Rockefeller prevent that?

2017-11-04 01:23:28 UTC  

You wouldn't be able to sell the oil for enough to make it worth your while

2017-11-04 01:23:34 UTC  

Offering you a ridiculous sum of money to not do it and give you the oil

2017-11-04 01:23:45 UTC  

And what Fevs says. Your prices could not compete with his in the first place

2017-11-04 01:23:54 UTC  

You would not own the timer companies, the truck companies. etc

2017-11-04 01:24:07 UTC  

If it can't compete then he deserves to have a 90% market share. It's what the consumer wants

2017-11-04 01:24:20 UTC  

And from there he can exploit the consumer

2017-11-04 01:24:25 UTC  

^

2017-11-04 01:24:28 UTC  

Without any recourse from the consumer

2017-11-04 01:24:32 UTC  

Government is the only recourse

2017-11-04 01:24:43 UTC  

He holds that 90% market share until everybody else is driven out of business

2017-11-04 01:24:49 UTC  

Between Apple and Samsung, they probably have 90% market share on smartphones . There are alternatives but they have this massive market share because it's what people want

2017-11-04 01:24:49 UTC  

Then skyrockets the price

2017-11-04 01:25:12 UTC  

Then it becomes profitable to compete again

2017-11-04 01:25:28 UTC  

But the barrier to entry isn't something easily achievable

2017-11-04 01:26:06 UTC  

He owns every step along the process, if you try to open up just ONE step of it, you'd have to use his company right?

2017-11-04 01:26:24 UTC  

He mines, transfers, and refines all his oil

2017-11-04 01:26:28 UTC  

Say you just mine it

2017-11-04 01:26:38 UTC  

He could charge you out the ass for transportation and refinement

2017-11-04 01:27:14 UTC  

White Americans would be mining our own oil if Obama's government didn't prevent the keystone Xl pipeline. Instead we give our money to Muslims, because government forbids otherwise

2017-11-04 01:27:30 UTC  

That's a modern example and issue caused because of government, not a lack of it

2017-11-04 01:27:36 UTC  

That's not a response

2017-11-04 01:27:36 UTC  

America produces over a third of our oil

2017-11-04 01:27:42 UTC  

Another third is provided by Canada and Mexico

2017-11-04 01:27:48 UTC  

That seemed extremely off topic

2017-11-04 01:28:18 UTC  

"Ultimately, the state is a tool. Whether it is good or bad depends on who is using it and for what purpose. The American government isn’t evil because it’s big and bloated. Imagine what this monstrously large institution could do in the hands of good men who care about the future of White people. Practically all of our ills could be cured in record time.

Individualism is a loser’s strategy in life’s game of survival of the fittest. Even for a cynical observer, it is indisputable that teamwork (and thus cooperation and empathy) are superior to individual effort: if might makes right, two men with sticks are mightier than one man alone.

The enemies of our people want us weak. With Marxism, they make us weak individually so that it matters not if we unite our forces. Through libertarianism, they insure that the strong among us stay isolated rather than uniting their powers and posing a threat."

2017-11-04 01:28:37 UTC  

As you said, we are going in circles about standard oil.
1. If he is selling it less expensive than the competition, then the consumer wins
2. If all competition goes away and he jacks up the price, competition will arise again, and the consumer wins

2017-11-04 01:28:40 UTC  

Also I like how you say "Obama's government"

2017-11-04 01:28:40 UTC  

We must abandon foolish notions of “objectivity” if those lead to our destruction. “Freedom” is no different from “tolerance”. We all understand now that tolerance is not a virtue if the thing being tolerated is evil (bad for our people and against the natural order). Likewise, freedom to commit evil cannot be considered desirable. All that matters is freedom to do good. Today, we are not free to do good, because all laws are inverted by our enemies. Wishful thinkers long for freedom, thinking ‘well, if we were totally free at least I could do the right thing’. This is a compromise. Instead, we should long for total victory, where the only freedom is freedom to do good (meaning, what is good for our people). Our enemies certainly don’t cheer for the freedom to do what they don’t like, and neither should we.

2017-11-04 01:28:43 UTC  

As if he was the one in control

2017-11-04 01:29:24 UTC  

Kombat, the state isn't a tool, no more than rape is a tool

2017-11-04 01:29:48 UTC  

Let me ask you guys something. Marxism is a 100% tax on your production. What is a 70% tax?