Message from @Jones Malone

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2017-11-04 00:51:11 UTC  

There are different types of socialism. There's is communist. Ours is economic Third Position

2017-11-04 00:51:34 UTC  

You're pointing towards one aspect of the Venuzuelian economy and ignoring others

2017-11-04 00:52:11 UTC  

Alberta is a fairly capiatalistic province of Canada that faced pretty high unemployment during this time as well because their local economy was built on oil

2017-11-04 00:52:32 UTC  

I agree

2017-11-04 00:52:37 UTC  

Meaning

2017-11-04 00:52:45 UTC  

Building your society around one product is risky

2017-11-04 00:53:06 UTC  

What happens when oil prices fall, is resources leave oil and will go to more profitable ventures

2017-11-04 00:53:19 UTC  

Except that's not what's happening

2017-11-04 00:53:34 UTC  

because oil companies are cock blocking every attempt at alternative energies they can

2017-11-04 00:53:53 UTC  

Instead we are investing more and more money for less and less return in more dangerous methods of extracting oil

2017-11-04 00:54:08 UTC  

By what mechanism are they preventing other sources of energy

2017-11-04 00:55:25 UTC  

Cockblocking any legislation in government that would fund or allow grants for companies seeking to research altnerative energy, copy righting methods and other means of R&D into these energies. Invesiting millions into ads and public relations to scare us off from the idea of nuclear energy, electric cars, etc.

2017-11-04 00:55:51 UTC  

And again we see government is the roadblock

2017-11-04 00:56:10 UTC  

Government is also the middleman from them just doing these things themselves

2017-11-04 00:56:42 UTC  

Would you agree that a large portion of welfare recipients in America are parasites

2017-11-04 00:56:47 UTC  

No

2017-11-04 00:56:58 UTC  

Meaning they are able and capable of working but they don't because why bother

2017-11-04 00:56:59 UTC  

A small portion

2017-11-04 00:57:15 UTC  

Most welfare recipients are non white. They aren't parasites?

2017-11-04 00:57:50 UTC  

Many lifers exist in welfare because they hit a road block. Where its more profitable to stay at a certain income level while receiving welfare, than to receive a dollar or two raise in pay, but lose the welfare

2017-11-04 00:58:09 UTC  

They suffer under a broken system that exists and benefits from keeping them in service

2017-11-04 00:58:10 UTC  

Yes, that's the welfare cliff

2017-11-04 00:58:32 UTC  

And this culture we have promotes pleasure and the individual needs above collective good. When we implement cultural changes to promote community and family, people won't want to be parasites

2017-11-04 00:58:33 UTC  

But it's false to compare this to national socialism

2017-11-04 00:58:34 UTC  

It creates a perverse incentive to not work longer hours & avoid pay raises

2017-11-04 00:58:53 UTC  

If we eliminate welfare, people won't have the possibility to be parasites

2017-11-04 00:59:24 UTC  

Either be productive or starve. If you are a legitimate victim, then private charity can fill in. It's not moral if I'm forced to give money at the point of a gun

2017-11-04 00:59:29 UTC  

In a high trust society like we want, we can have nice things like welfare and universal health care

2017-11-04 00:59:50 UTC  

You don't need universal healthcare to have healthcare

2017-11-04 01:00:08 UTC  

Along the lines of what Hadrian is saying. You're focusing on the socialism under our current low trust broken system, while ignoring the results of socialism under a high trust nationalistic system

2017-11-04 01:00:14 UTC  

Everything government currently provides was once provided by private individuals

2017-11-04 01:00:23 UTC  

Or not provided in any form

2017-11-04 01:00:32 UTC  

I agree that any system is going to work better with whites

2017-11-04 01:00:38 UTC  

And people lived for 35 miserable years

2017-11-04 01:00:39 UTC  

It's not just about being under whites

2017-11-04 01:00:47 UTC  

Libya worked wonderfully

2017-11-04 01:00:57 UTC  

Before (((They))) killed Ghaddafi

2017-11-04 01:01:05 UTC  

Hadrian, because we had a much poorer understanding of modern medicine, not because a lack of government. Everyone died young

2017-11-04 01:01:32 UTC  

What motivated people to improve healhcare. Because it was not primarily profit

2017-11-04 01:01:45 UTC  

It was out of a sense of common good and duty to ones people

2017-11-04 01:01:58 UTC  

Not just medicine. Local crop failures led to mass starvation, among other things