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2018-12-31 05:47:23 UTC  

a lot of things were very improbable before they existed. If this universe has shown us anything, is that improbable stuff happen all the time

2018-12-31 05:47:32 UTC  

I'm just curious about examples here

2018-12-31 05:47:47 UTC  

I can think of some societies off the top of my head that lacked central government

2018-12-31 05:47:50 UTC  

Medieval Ireland

2018-12-31 05:47:55 UTC  

The Icelandic Commonwealth

2018-12-31 05:48:13 UTC  

Some pre-Roman Germanic tribes

2018-12-31 05:48:27 UTC  

well the funny thing is, most attempts of creating *anything* other than our current system of state supported capitalism have been destabilized by existing superpowers, namely the USA

2018-12-31 05:49:09 UTC  

i dont care about whether ancom existed in history or not

2018-12-31 05:49:23 UTC  

people often go there in arguments and its completely pointless

2018-12-31 05:49:46 UTC  

if you only give value to the things that existed before in history, then you cant argue anything *but* the status quo

2018-12-31 05:50:31 UTC  

if we debated things on the merit of whether they existed before, literally every single advancement in civilization would not have happened

2018-12-31 05:50:35 UTC  

so let not

2018-12-31 05:52:45 UTC  

I would say precedent is a very solid determinant of if something will work or not, but fine, we can avoid that topic for now

2018-12-31 05:52:49 UTC  

How would you accomplish your ultimate goal

2018-12-31 05:53:05 UTC  

through technology

2018-12-31 05:53:26 UTC  

we've already seen where technology has allowed functioning decentralized organizations to thrive

2018-12-31 05:53:36 UTC  

think wikipedia, bittorrent, linux, ect ect

2018-12-31 05:54:07 UTC  

Certainly

2018-12-31 05:54:52 UTC  

so why couldnt it be used for governments too

2018-12-31 05:55:10 UTC  

where no government exists because the people self manage themselves through technology

2018-12-31 05:55:24 UTC  

I think that something like Bittorent which allows people to share files is different from the exercise of power

2018-12-31 05:55:41 UTC  

well duh, one's a file sharing site

2018-12-31 05:56:16 UTC  

but the fact is, it exists and thrives without leadership, without central authority, and its actually better for it

2018-12-31 05:56:28 UTC  

Sure

2018-12-31 05:56:37 UTC  

It's also used for sharing terrible content like child porn

2018-12-31 05:56:52 UTC  

true, but that is the price to pay

2018-12-31 05:57:00 UTC  

computers in general are used to share cp

2018-12-31 05:57:04 UTC  

should we ban computers?

2018-12-31 05:57:21 UTC  

thats a fallacy i often see, blaming the tool for the issue and not the core problem

2018-12-31 05:57:33 UTC  

As far as I'm concerned, giving up certain freedoms in exchange for other freedoms is a worthy trade

2018-12-31 05:57:33 UTC  

knives kill people, but they also prepare food

2018-12-31 05:57:57 UTC  

you assume that giving these freedoms up would solve the issue

2018-12-31 05:58:23 UTC  

thats what most people dont get, even if you track and watch everybody, people will still get through the cracks

2018-12-31 05:58:27 UTC  

no system is perfect

2018-12-31 05:59:02 UTC  

encryption is already out there, you can backdoor and break every social media and platform, hackers will just find others

2018-12-31 05:59:28 UTC  

its a game of infinite whackamole, and youre willing to sacrifice your freedoms for that loosing battle

2018-12-31 05:59:38 UTC  

Yes, but we still use encryption because it makes it harder for hackers

2018-12-31 05:59:54 UTC  

We still put locks on our doors even though it takes one rock to smash a window

2018-12-31 06:00:10 UTC  

We have security not because it'll stop every single criminal

2018-12-31 06:00:22 UTC  

It's a means of deterrence

2018-12-31 06:00:31 UTC  

It's the same reason we punish criminals