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2018-12-31 05:44:22 UTC  

law

2018-12-31 05:44:29 UTC  

You're taking the behavior of people who live in orderly, governed societies, and saying that behavior would be replicated in societies without orderly government

2018-12-31 05:44:35 UTC  

yeah

2018-12-31 05:45:02 UTC  

laws are meaningless: good people would follow them anyway and bad people dont follow them even when theyre here

2018-12-31 05:45:02 UTC  

are you saying in a civilized setting there isnt a centralized power able to enforce law

2018-12-31 05:45:09 UTC  

lol no

2018-12-31 05:45:15 UTC  

bad people follow laws

2018-12-31 05:45:20 UTC  

like all the time

2018-12-31 05:45:25 UTC  

yeah, civilization can occur without a central power

2018-12-31 05:45:31 UTC  

some people have greater predisposition

2018-12-31 05:45:36 UTC  

whoah slow down

2018-12-31 05:45:37 UTC  

to brake the law'

2018-12-31 05:45:50 UTC  

Which civilization occurred without a central power

2018-12-31 05:46:07 UTC  

i dont know any off the top of my head but they do exist

2018-12-31 05:46:13 UTC  

Such as

2018-12-31 05:46:19 UTC  

like i said, i dont know any

2018-12-31 05:46:19 UTC  

Google some if you want

2018-12-31 05:46:25 UTC  

Then how do you know they exist

2018-12-31 05:46:31 UTC  

and even if they dont, it doesnt mean theyre impossible

2018-12-31 05:46:34 UTC  

there is no civilizations without some form of state controlled governance

2018-12-31 05:46:38 UTC  

Nothing is impossible

2018-12-31 05:46:43 UTC  

there are societies without them

2018-12-31 05:46:44 UTC  

Just very improbable

2018-12-31 05:46:51 UTC  

but not civilizations

2018-12-31 05:47:12 UTC  

Brb

2018-12-31 05:47:23 UTC  

a lot of things were very improbable before they existed. If this universe has shown us anything, is that improbable stuff happen all the time

2018-12-31 05:47:32 UTC  

I'm just curious about examples here

2018-12-31 05:47:47 UTC  

I can think of some societies off the top of my head that lacked central government

2018-12-31 05:47:50 UTC  

Medieval Ireland

2018-12-31 05:47:55 UTC  

The Icelandic Commonwealth

2018-12-31 05:48:13 UTC  

Some pre-Roman Germanic tribes

2018-12-31 05:48:27 UTC  

well the funny thing is, most attempts of creating *anything* other than our current system of state supported capitalism have been destabilized by existing superpowers, namely the USA

2018-12-31 05:49:09 UTC  

i dont care about whether ancom existed in history or not

2018-12-31 05:49:23 UTC  

people often go there in arguments and its completely pointless

2018-12-31 05:49:46 UTC  

if you only give value to the things that existed before in history, then you cant argue anything *but* the status quo

2018-12-31 05:50:31 UTC  

if we debated things on the merit of whether they existed before, literally every single advancement in civilization would not have happened

2018-12-31 05:50:35 UTC  

so let not

2018-12-31 05:52:45 UTC  

I would say precedent is a very solid determinant of if something will work or not, but fine, we can avoid that topic for now

2018-12-31 05:52:49 UTC  

How would you accomplish your ultimate goal

2018-12-31 05:53:05 UTC  

through technology

2018-12-31 05:53:26 UTC  

we've already seen where technology has allowed functioning decentralized organizations to thrive