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2018-12-31 06:09:42 UTC  

how else you gonna get things done

2018-12-31 06:10:02 UTC  

im just mind boggled rn

2018-12-31 06:10:11 UTC  

Why

2018-12-31 06:10:14 UTC  

i just came back but i saw the question

2018-12-31 06:10:39 UTC  

"you cant maintain order without violence"

wtf?

2018-12-31 06:10:46 UTC  

Yes

2018-12-31 06:10:53 UTC  

when you go to the supermarket, do you use violence to buy groceries?

2018-12-31 06:11:04 UTC  

do you use violence when you give someone a gift?

2018-12-31 06:11:07 UTC  

@Deleted User what prevents me from robbing the supermarket?

2018-12-31 06:11:24 UTC  

would you rob the supermarket without laws?

2018-12-31 06:11:33 UTC  

many would

2018-12-31 06:11:34 UTC  

cops are people too

2018-12-31 06:11:45 UTC  

not just government employees

2018-12-31 06:11:51 UTC  

no, would *you* rob the supermarket

2018-12-31 06:12:00 UTC  

The supermarket?

2018-12-31 06:12:01 UTC  

Let's see

2018-12-31 06:12:03 UTC  

depends on the supermarket

2018-12-31 06:12:04 UTC  

lol

2018-12-31 06:12:12 UTC  

probably not

2018-12-31 06:12:14 UTC  

i dunno

2018-12-31 06:12:18 UTC  

The food that arrives there travels by trade routes secured by the American military and navy

2018-12-31 06:12:29 UTC  

The government built the highways which carry the food to my supermarket

2018-12-31 06:12:55 UTC  

The supermarket stays in business because it knows that even if it is robbed it can go to the proper authorities

2018-12-31 06:12:57 UTC  

the problem with your argument is that you think that these things cant exist without government

2018-12-31 06:13:24 UTC  

I don't think that international trade routes can exist without government

2018-12-31 06:13:39 UTC  

just because our world functions through violence and coercion right now, doesnt mean it cant function without it

2018-12-31 06:13:54 UTC  

many people didnt think men could land on the moon either

2018-12-31 06:14:05 UTC  

again, youre equating probability with possibility

2018-12-31 06:14:07 UTC  

it cant

2018-12-31 06:14:12 UTC  

prove it?

2018-12-31 06:14:23 UTC  

thats like saying disprove god

2018-12-31 06:14:45 UTC  

but we can make statement of relative degrees of certainty

2018-12-31 06:14:54 UTC  

The fact hthat violence has always been a part of human civilization suggests it will probably always continue to be so

2018-12-31 06:15:13 UTC  

like we can show that almost every civilization had a state by which violence was used as a force to instill order

2018-12-31 06:15:40 UTC  

again, that doesnt cancel the posibility of self governance without a state

2018-12-31 06:15:44 UTC  

You can't compare "technological innovation" to "social order"

2018-12-31 06:15:46 UTC  

They're not the same thing

2018-12-31 06:15:55 UTC  

they arent

2018-12-31 06:16:00 UTC  

like dravidian civilizations barely had a military but they still had a force to instill order

2018-12-31 06:16:09 UTC  

but you cant use a longstanding trend to prove the status quo will remain that way

2018-12-31 06:16:33 UTC  

yeah but they suggesting it wont with little evidence is basically insane