About two thousand years, yeah

and things have changed so much in only a few of those

yes but it just gave away to smaller states

And what was the Romans' most important contribution to the West?

The state

yeah romans refined statecraft

but the fact is it *fell*

and?

it feel and gave way to more states

Senate got the ruler killed

the change ancom would make would be equivalent to the fall of the roman empire, in terms of *probability* according to your argument

civilizations being coupled with a state that derives all its authority from violence is something that has existed in all of history

in fact, it would be even more probable

So I dunno

seeing as the empire lasted thousands of years

whats unlikely is a civilization existing without state entities

but again, history has changed

yes but this is a different type of change

`the change ancom would make would be equivalent to the fall of the roman empire`

so?

So ancom would make life drastically worse

its like me comparing a change in the color of the shirt you wear on one day to the next

as the color of the Sun turning black

i didnt establish an equivalency based on the exact change, just on its likelihood, arguing from your point

its simply unlikely

okay

picture this

a social institution existing for 2 thousand years

how likely is something so stable to change?

how do you define state entities

and being replaced by other institutions that operate on a similar basis

do you mean just hierarchies or centralized governance

no no no

not talking about what comes after

the roman empire as everyone knows it

how likely is it to change

Well, it wasn't stable

It changed a lot

it lasted 2000 years

Went through periods of instability

but it lasted 2000 years