They're not the same thing

they arent

like dravidian civilizations barely had a military but they still had a force to instill order

but you cant use a longstanding trend to prove the status quo will remain that way

yeah but they suggesting it wont with little evidence is basically insane

im not saying that it wont

im saying that its possible that it might not

Of course it's possible

Who would deny that it's possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9VE3i-KcM

What I'm denying is that you can ever get to that point

isnt that the same thing?

the supermarket shipping thing reminded me of this video

seen it

Container ships are amazing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcom_McLean

All pay respect to the inventor of the shipping container

the only two stroke engine that deserves to exist is diesel two strokes used in ships

imo

but yeah, arguing on the basis of the status quo doesnt really make sense because things can and do change all the time

All I asked for was one example

changes occur in predictive patterns

and i dont have any

because it would be a first in human history

but a lot of things were firsts in human history

so whats your point?

like change occurring doesnt mean that the state of reality just magically shifts

a car was never in space before

doesnt deny its possibility

Again

Technology != social order

but its the same thing

You can change our material conditions

Not our human nature

yeah but were talking about having a civilization without a state

in terms of argument

social order changes all the time

look at the roman civilization

it lasted for *centuries*

and a car been thrust into space isnt an unpredictable change

About two thousand years, yeah