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2018-12-31 06:13:24 UTC  

I don't think that international trade routes can exist without government

2018-12-31 06:13:39 UTC  

just because our world functions through violence and coercion right now, doesnt mean it cant function without it

2018-12-31 06:13:54 UTC  

many people didnt think men could land on the moon either

2018-12-31 06:14:05 UTC  

again, youre equating probability with possibility

2018-12-31 06:14:07 UTC  

it cant

2018-12-31 06:14:12 UTC  

prove it?

2018-12-31 06:14:23 UTC  

thats like saying disprove god

2018-12-31 06:14:45 UTC  

but we can make statement of relative degrees of certainty

2018-12-31 06:14:54 UTC  

The fact hthat violence has always been a part of human civilization suggests it will probably always continue to be so

2018-12-31 06:15:13 UTC  

like we can show that almost every civilization had a state by which violence was used as a force to instill order

2018-12-31 06:15:40 UTC  

again, that doesnt cancel the posibility of self governance without a state

2018-12-31 06:15:44 UTC  

You can't compare "technological innovation" to "social order"

2018-12-31 06:15:46 UTC  

They're not the same thing

2018-12-31 06:15:55 UTC  

they arent

2018-12-31 06:16:00 UTC  

like dravidian civilizations barely had a military but they still had a force to instill order

2018-12-31 06:16:09 UTC  

but you cant use a longstanding trend to prove the status quo will remain that way

2018-12-31 06:16:33 UTC  

yeah but they suggesting it wont with little evidence is basically insane

2018-12-31 06:17:02 UTC  

im not saying that it wont

2018-12-31 06:17:09 UTC  

im saying that its possible that it might not

2018-12-31 06:17:16 UTC  

Of course it's possible

2018-12-31 06:17:26 UTC  

Who would deny that it's possible

2018-12-31 06:17:38 UTC  

What I'm denying is that you can ever get to that point

2018-12-31 06:17:54 UTC  

isnt that the same thing?

2018-12-31 06:17:54 UTC  

the supermarket shipping thing reminded me of this video

2018-12-31 06:18:10 UTC  

seen it

2018-12-31 06:18:27 UTC  

Container ships are amazing

2018-12-31 06:18:52 UTC  

All pay respect to the inventor of the shipping container

2018-12-31 06:19:01 UTC  

the only two stroke engine that deserves to exist is diesel two strokes used in ships

2018-12-31 06:19:02 UTC  

imo

2018-12-31 06:19:05 UTC  

but yeah, arguing on the basis of the status quo doesnt really make sense because things can and do change all the time

2018-12-31 06:19:22 UTC  

All I asked for was one example

2018-12-31 06:19:28 UTC  

changes occur in predictive patterns

2018-12-31 06:19:29 UTC  

and i dont have any

2018-12-31 06:19:38 UTC  

because it would be a first in human history

2018-12-31 06:19:45 UTC  

but a lot of things were firsts in human history

2018-12-31 06:19:51 UTC  

so whats your point?

2018-12-31 06:19:52 UTC  

like change occurring doesnt mean that the state of reality just magically shifts

2018-12-31 06:20:05 UTC  

a car was never in space before

2018-12-31 06:20:09 UTC  

doesnt deny its possibility