no?

yes

laws of physics or just all scientific laws are descriptive of observable patterns

yeah so?

thats literally how science works

whats your point?

can you say with certainty that the sun will always rotate around the earth?

so you would be incorrect in saying observation cant be used as a metric by which we judge possibility

but again even by the metric of observation, especially negatives, a lot of arguments have been disproved

yes

but still by that metric

what we see here is the coupling of civilization to state is an observable pattern

and we cann see why

civilizations requires order

saying "ancom will never exist because throughout all history, states have been with civilizations" is like saying
"men will never go to the moon because through all history men have never left the atmosphere"

order requires the threat and capability of violence

says who?

and that violence needs to be organized

says who?

yeah

Precedent

> order requires the threat and capability of violence
says who

as @..... said

but i can disprove it right now

Precedent

i dont need violence to get some kids in a classroom to behave

literally every interaction you have in a civilization requires it

theyll do it if i ask nicely

yes you do?

If they're disciplined, well-behaved children

Lots of kids won't do it if you ask nicely

but the point is, some did

@Deleted User you do know that the threat of violence still exists, right?

in that classroom, if a kid doesnt listen and disrupts the room

> literally every interaction you have in a civilization requires it
so this right here is disproved

theyre removed

by force

so yes

no?

it does have an implication of violence

ive seen this very thing happen many times