i didnt say crimes dont happen

and people self organize

see the issue?

what happens if i go against that organizations

you made an absolute statement, which means only one exception was requires to disprove it

i dont think you understand this?

i dont think you understand

do you have a mic?

yeah i do

no i understand because this argument is had every week in political discords and always ends in the guy assumes violence isnt necessary loses

so?

like hell, even Karl Marx advocated a militia

again, basing argument on precedence

can you get in voice?

sure

okay

Precedent is a great way to establish an argument

anyone else willing to join?

One example does not prove something true

I can also list plenty of examples of disasters which spawned crime

Not all people are actually violent, but there is a portion of the population which will behave in anti-social ways

The threat of violence isn't necessary in family and friendships but is necessary to bring together peoples who have no natural connection

Oh, joy

uhh can i go back to text?

yeah, my folks are complaining

its 2:am in the night

oh okay fair enough?

hahahaha

yeah sure

yup

Alright

My mic is broken

But like Lyoko my folks and sister are asleep and it's a small house, so I can't go on my phone

well it wouldnt be a case where people are forced out of labour

its a case where people have the choice to just not work

like something thats tantamount to the matrix, would it even be by definition a civilization?

@Loopy @Hamtaro Get in vc

@Lux💜

but why couldnt a computer controlled utopia be a society?

it could be a society