like hell, even Karl Marx advocated a militia

again, basing argument on precedence

can you get in voice?

sure

okay

Precedent is a great way to establish an argument

anyone else willing to join?

One example does not prove something true

I can also list plenty of examples of disasters which spawned crime

Not all people are actually violent, but there is a portion of the population which will behave in anti-social ways

The threat of violence isn't necessary in family and friendships but is necessary to bring together peoples who have no natural connection

Oh, joy

uhh can i go back to text?

yeah, my folks are complaining

its 2:am in the night

oh okay fair enough?

hahahaha

yeah sure

yup

Alright

My mic is broken

But like Lyoko my folks and sister are asleep and it's a small house, so I can't go on my phone

well it wouldnt be a case where people are forced out of labour

its a case where people have the choice to just not work

like something thats tantamount to the matrix, would it even be by definition a civilization?

@Loopy @Hamtaro Get in vc

@Lux💜

but why couldnt a computer controlled utopia be a society?

it could be a society

lmao why is lux jailed

she wanted to keep the tag

lewd

Wasn't the last episode just a clip show

IIRC

@Deleted User it could be considered a society but not a civilization i would argue

why not?

It would basically lack all the defining traits

such as?

What a nice story

@Deleted User
Defining traits of civilization
An organized body of governance
Laws or edicts
Surplus of food production
Labor specialization
Record keeping
Social structure and traditions
Literature, Art and Architecture
Common Infrastructure