Message from @Jones Malone

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2017-11-04 00:43:43 UTC  

With what capital

2017-11-04 00:43:57 UTC  

Capital is created

2017-11-04 00:44:24 UTC  

When you're just a few paychecks away from starving, starting your own factory is not even remotely an option

2017-11-04 00:44:33 UTC  

You can't simply create the wealth or funds required to build capital

2017-11-04 00:44:39 UTC  

So you can work for someone else or be self employed and save up money to start your own business

2017-11-04 00:45:10 UTC  

This was what the majority of business owners did. The alternative was to be self sufficient and live in what was objectively poverty, living off the land

2017-11-04 00:45:31 UTC  

It was legal rulings and governments mandates that at the time were considered socialistic that put an end to such practices

2017-11-04 00:46:39 UTC  

So, you can live off the land, or work for someone else & work your way up. How is that bad?

2017-11-04 00:46:57 UTC  

What land?

2017-11-04 00:47:00 UTC  

There was not a ladder to work yourself up. How do you work your way up on employee vouchers

2017-11-04 00:47:06 UTC  

The land you don't own?

2017-11-04 00:47:50 UTC  

At one point, child labor laws were considered socialism

2017-11-04 00:47:51 UTC  

Jones, I'm not aware of any companies doing this anymore

2017-11-04 00:48:01 UTC  

Refer to my above statements

2017-11-04 00:48:11 UTC  

Why do you think they don't do it anymore?

2017-11-04 00:48:19 UTC  

Because big government banned it

2017-11-04 00:48:33 UTC  

Because another company will come along & offer them a better form of payment

2017-11-04 00:48:56 UTC  

Did somebody let a Libertarian into the TWP server?

2017-11-04 00:49:00 UTC  

No, because the government mandated a wage in US dollars

2017-11-04 00:49:07 UTC  

People came to work for Henry Ford because he paid more, they did this voluntarily

2017-11-04 00:49:09 UTC  

Why would they have to, if their buddy in big oil company 1 is doing it. What motivation does big oil company 2 have to improve the situation

2017-11-04 00:49:17 UTC  

Not just a Libertarian, seems like an ancap

2017-11-04 00:49:33 UTC  

Why not collude together to keep the workers under their yoke

2017-11-04 00:49:39 UTC  

Jones, they don't have to work for an oil company

2017-11-04 00:50:02 UTC  

Venezuela is socialism

2017-11-04 00:50:08 UTC  

I know it's accelerated by brown people

2017-11-04 00:50:15 UTC  

But every socialist policy always fails

2017-11-04 00:50:24 UTC  

Social security will run out by 2030

2017-11-04 00:50:27 UTC  

Venezuela is *Marxian* socialism

2017-11-04 00:50:27 UTC  

So will Medicare

2017-11-04 00:50:37 UTC  

Venezuela failed because they focused their entire company around the export of Oil

2017-11-04 00:50:47 UTC  

Welfare and big government in any dorm is socialist

2017-11-04 00:51:06 UTC  

And when the Oil prices crashed in 2015, which mind you also effected many oil companies in primarily capitalist countries, this effected them deeply

2017-11-04 00:51:11 UTC  

There are different types of socialism. There's is communist. Ours is economic Third Position

2017-11-04 00:51:34 UTC  

You're pointing towards one aspect of the Venuzuelian economy and ignoring others

2017-11-04 00:52:11 UTC  

Alberta is a fairly capiatalistic province of Canada that faced pretty high unemployment during this time as well because their local economy was built on oil

2017-11-04 00:52:32 UTC  

I agree

2017-11-04 00:52:37 UTC  

Meaning

2017-11-04 00:52:45 UTC  

Building your society around one product is risky

2017-11-04 00:53:06 UTC  

What happens when oil prices fall, is resources leave oil and will go to more profitable ventures

2017-11-04 00:53:19 UTC  

Except that's not what's happening