Agreed

I've never liked the whole optics debate much. They can do their americana thing, and if it works to advance our broader interests, great, just don't shit on other groups for doing something different as much of the optics cucks have done

They do seem to get some good attention. I don't have to like American Nationalism to respect that

The point with the optics war is that they're trying the old as fuck method of rebranding ethnic nationalism as patriotism, even Rockwell had to denounce that, we could have saved them the trouble of running a failing org for a few years before it collapses if even that, but some people are just immune to advice. They'll come over after they fail if they're serious about activism.

Why do we have to 'denounce' them because they like different colors and pants? I understand not wanting to participate, but why should I actively seek to discourage them?

nationalism is patriotism...but not exactly the ethnic part as America knows it.

everyone has been raised to view america as a melting pot

of many races

BUT

those races are to be assimiliated

under one banner

things went shit wrong since the 60's

America was founded based on the enlightenment values of equality between men so USA was founded on a failed and untrue premise.

any of these groups IMO advance the agenda

this is true

all men are not created equal

Dude, shir went wrong waaaayyy before WW2, kikes took over according to the laws of constitution, fair and square, and used their influence to push America to destroy Europe and kill their fellow whites and the only power capable of overthrowing jewish tyranny.

I see the communists moving in hard in the 60s. That was capstone on a long battle of Jews to take over our government

Too moderate groups are holding people back, when they could be fully redpilled, and sapping strenght from the more hardcore organizations that are in the right. Patriotic and conservative groups aren't a gateway to Nazism, despite of what the jews claim.

This is actually a theoretical question I've been wondering for long, does a more moderate organization sap strenght from the more hardcore organization and thus push the window to the left, or would the people attracted by the cuck version do anything at all without the lighter version?

depends on the person.

Heres my stance. Paul taught in the New Testament that we are all ' members of the body of Christ'. When I was trained to be a pastor, I was taught that it takes different types of churches to reach different types of people. I see nothing wrong with the same message being promoted with different types of optics to attract more people to the movement.

it think its a symbiotic existence.

I have to disagree. A lot of people used the alt-lite as a stepping stone to becoming an ethnic nationalist

I agree James

For example, does NRM attract people who would have otherwise gone to cuck groups if we had any, or do the people who would be attracted to alt light do anything right now, due to the lack of an organization moderate enough for them? It's a genuinely good question. I've talked with patriotards who take part in our demos despite of them being out and out nazi even though they're more moderate, but we're the only ones doing anything and doing it right, so they're on board for that, and become radicalized later. I've only had a few people telling they're unable to take part due to us being "too nazi". There's several types of recruit, one is, unideological, but feels something is wrong, and seeks a strong group to change that. I feel this particular type doesn't really care about ideological or presentation, but thinks purely in the terms of what is being achieved and done right now.

Libertarianism, although slowly, allowed me to embrace National Socialism over time.

@Arcturus good point, I came this position starting out as MERICA fuk yea person

I did the same to some degree, though differently than that exactly, I didn't just wake up one day and think hitler was a good person

lol me neither, the red pill has taken time to fully hit me

I woke up one day realizing Hitler was right, pretty much. I was apolitical, but I was surrounded by degenerates and subhumans, I read Mein Kampf and realized that he was on point about everything, and joined NS organization as soon as I could.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're the exception and not the rule tbh

A lot of people need to take baby steps to getting here

Yeah I passed through normie conservative, left-libertarian, Hoppean, and I-swear-I'm-not-a-Nazi on my way here

Not really. I know many ex-communists turned nazis. If you think about it, libertarian turned nazi is even weirder.

Both believe in equality, but libertarians don't even believe in a state.

I'd say a communist turned NS is weirder

that would be a huge switch out....or even a RINO to NS lol

Libertarians believe in hierarchy, right ones at least, communists do not

Not necessarily. An caps don't believe in a state, Libs believed in the smallest state possible.

Going from a private hierarchy to state hierarchy isn't as large of a leap. You at least acknowledge some are more fit to lead