Message from @DOLBATIC

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2018-09-12 15:15:50 UTC  

sounds like there is an OG here

2018-09-12 15:18:16 UTC  

this is a nice little intro

2018-09-12 15:19:07 UTC  

oh cool. can you find TCoS online? I had trouble

2018-09-12 15:21:20 UTC  

Idk

2018-09-12 15:21:29 UTC  

It's in 2 volumes

2018-09-12 15:21:33 UTC  

word. oh wow

2018-09-12 15:22:07 UTC  

ok i found it

2018-09-12 15:22:08 UTC  

but

2018-09-12 15:22:14 UTC  

do you understand french

2018-09-12 15:22:35 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338768230866747405/489455794266570782/le_capitalisme_de_la_seduction_-_michel_clouscard.pdf

2018-09-12 15:23:50 UTC  

hahaha

2018-09-12 15:23:52 UTC  

no sir

2018-09-12 15:23:57 UTC  

I should I guess, only german

2018-09-12 15:25:31 UTC  

rip

2018-09-12 15:25:37 UTC  

clouscard is really not known at all

2018-09-12 15:25:55 UTC  

There might be an english translation, but a free pdf is pushing it

2018-09-12 15:26:15 UTC  

word ill check the libraries

2018-09-12 15:26:25 UTC  

cheers

2018-09-12 15:28:36 UTC  

five sure. also check out comments on society of the spectacle if you haven't yet I love that one

2018-09-12 15:29:22 UTC  

Situationism feels a lot like intellectual jerk-off to me

2018-09-12 15:32:14 UTC  

And it also contributed to the conversion of pre-1970s capitalism into global liberalism

2018-09-12 15:32:59 UTC  

thats definitely not wrong, but I think the comments are way better than the original book

2018-09-12 15:33:16 UTC  

and from the original, I love the phrase on page one: "the liar has lied to himself" very strong image to me

2018-09-12 15:33:48 UTC  

I like to compare it to descartes evil demon, and i think-> instead of thinking the demon is tricking you, what if you are the demon, tricking yourself?

2018-09-12 15:33:54 UTC  

I love this idea so much

2018-09-12 16:09:03 UTC  

Well, actually, I found an article Clouscard wrote on Baudrillard

2018-09-12 16:09:07 UTC  

French though

2018-09-12 16:10:05 UTC  

Je mappele gay

2018-09-12 16:10:12 UTC  

Wait no

2018-09-12 16:12:17 UTC  

@nagarjuna Even if that article is mostly yet another critique of Baudrillard

2018-09-12 16:14:00 UTC  

@DOLBATIC that looks awesome I'm just an insufferable JB sycophant because I haven't read more haha. His writing is super contradictory so the parts I like are contradicted by other parts haha. My aim isn't to rep him so much as bring him up because that's where my thoughts are, wanna move forward

2018-09-12 16:14:40 UTC  

I see JB kind of in the skeptical tradition, which I really enjoy. The problem of how to apply skepticism politically is the huge problem but one I want to confront

2018-09-12 16:14:48 UTC  

He's seeing Baudrillard as the quintessence of modern bourgeois thought, which he claims no longer ignores class struggle (as in the case of Valéry and Alain) but simply recuses it without refuting it

2018-09-12 16:15:16 UTC  

"hypocritical innocence"

2018-09-12 16:15:55 UTC  

Baudrillard, to him, is a good example of the transition of the Zeitgeist ever since the 1968 "Libération"

2018-09-12 16:16:23 UTC  

Which would be a gnoseological regression

2018-09-12 16:18:47 UTC  

His main point is that Sartre, who accepts class struggle but encloses it into intellectual bourgeois leftism, is at the source of this transition

2018-09-12 16:19:41 UTC  

Prioiritizing the transcendental ego over class struggle

2018-09-12 16:20:04 UTC  

Yes I think that's a common view. Baudrillard visited Japan one time and people there said "we don't need you anymore because your thought is just how things are now"