Message from @DOLBATIC

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2018-09-12 16:36:52 UTC  

This philosophical renouncement expresses the victory of the new middle classes, in the new Zeitgeist of the cultural worldly "leftist"

2018-09-12 16:37:44 UTC  

A "bon chic bon genre" thought which leads to stagnation

2018-09-12 16:37:57 UTC  

I'm curious how this plays in the marxs idea that capitalism leads to communism. I mean negating capitalism is the same as completing the project of capitalism for Marx, no?

2018-09-12 16:38:49 UTC  

And then what is clouscard saying we should be doing, what does class struggle look like in these updated conditions? I'll read both those articles tho five sure

2018-09-12 16:39:52 UTC  

His ideas for action are explained at the end of the first link i sent you

2018-09-12 16:40:58 UTC  

The *praxis* must be adapted to the new modalities of capitalism (avoiding both Classical Marxist orthodoxy and the reformism adopted by the PCF in the late 20th c.)

2018-09-12 16:45:44 UTC  

Reformism being the transition into social democracy (and frankly, liberalism) the PCF engaged into, following the PS

2018-09-12 16:50:35 UTC  

Capitalism, ironically, by liberalizing, has become more totalitarian, it is therefore necessary for class consciousness to be augmented by consciousness of this neoliberal new form of capitalism

2018-09-12 17:09:43 UTC  

So I read the two articles, translated the one on Baudrillard. Found a way to translate PDFs also but not large ones, sad face. I guess I can split it into sections

2018-09-12 17:10:12 UTC  

I do agree with the section of the first piece where it is written that Clouscard thinks we need "collective destiny," I think this is a very good starting point

2018-09-12 17:11:23 UTC  

It's interesting how he thinks the national is now important to defend when it's being overcome by transnational capitalism. I can see that, I do agree that a good transnational movement will likely work its way through the various nations (although it working through other nations will be something that will be recognized within each national process)

2018-09-12 17:13:27 UTC  

Still, his positive program is not very clear, probably it is outlined in his book

2018-09-12 17:14:12 UTC  

i.e. his idea of class struggle is not clarified, it's clear he wants to update Marx in some ways and remain faithful in others, but it's not specific about which parts to leave and which to take

2018-09-12 17:14:45 UTC  

How did you translate?

2018-09-12 17:21:28 UTC  

Google translate

2018-09-12 17:21:44 UTC  

the book pdf is too big though, but I got the article about Baudrillard

2018-09-12 17:22:29 UTC  

I can also read the french wikipedia page on clouscard, it's longer than the one in english

2018-09-12 17:22:50 UTC  

Yikes

2018-09-12 17:23:58 UTC  

haha

2018-09-12 17:25:23 UTC  

One idea I do have is whether Clouscard would think it important to point out how intelligence agencies have dominated society. Baudrillard doesn't talk about stuff like that but I think it's very important. Although there's also the question of how exactly the civilian gov't, military (and intel), and corporations interact, that could be the kind of thing Clouscard means by understanding the front of class struggle today

2018-09-14 17:01:23 UTC  

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2018-10-11 06:48:30 UTC  

Tabarnak d’osti

2018-10-11 06:50:13 UTC  

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2018-10-13 15:44:29 UTC  

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2018-10-13 18:45:59 UTC  

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2018-10-23 07:49:38 UTC  

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2018-10-25 07:46:58 UTC  

I mean

2018-10-25 07:47:13 UTC  

pretty much every historian despises Stéphane Courtois

2018-10-25 07:47:21 UTC  

and it's mutual

2018-10-25 07:47:29 UTC  

he claims to prefer memory over history

2018-10-25 07:54:32 UTC  

Hon hon hon

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