Message from Corset in /leftypol/ International #english_theory


2017-05-22 06:57:17 UTC  
2017-05-22 06:57:36 UTC  

@Deleted User essence is a dialectical matter.

2017-05-22 06:57:40 UTC  

It changes

2017-05-22 06:57:44 UTC  

all the time

2017-05-22 06:57:56 UTC  

But stays

2017-05-22 06:58:00 UTC  

at the same time

2017-05-22 06:59:36 UTC  

OK, so how come we have such shitty art and music nowadays (in general)? Is it because the subjective is a reflection of the objective, and those in the capitalist system are infected with a 'class virus', and thus reflected poorly on the art they produce?

2017-05-22 07:00:31 UTC  

@Deleted User the profit motive of the creation of the quality is a pure perversion of all things.

2017-05-22 07:00:55 UTC  

Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

2017-05-22 07:02:04 UTC  

Is a pure destruction of quality.

2017-05-22 07:02:16 UTC  

The degeneracy.

2017-05-22 07:03:54 UTC  

@Corset Do you think as class consciousness increases so does the quality of art?

2017-05-22 07:04:07 UTC  

Less perverted?

2017-05-22 07:04:53 UTC  

@Deleted User yes. The quality of art is able to meet the beauty of the reality.

2017-05-22 07:05:40 UTC  
2017-05-22 07:06:27 UTC  

That's a pretty powerful thought. Materialism lets you see the world for what it is, without superstitious perceptions, and the standard increases everywhere.

2017-05-22 07:07:23 UTC  

You could say that religion hijacked beauty.

2017-05-22 07:07:29 UTC  

@Deleted User materialism doesn't even care.

2017-05-22 07:07:52 UTC  

It just is

2017-05-22 07:08:21 UTC  

@Corset No, materialism doesn't care. But if our subjective reflects the objective, the quality of our products increase?

2017-05-22 07:09:45 UTC  

@Deleted User If you do things according to how they are?

2017-05-22 07:10:02 UTC  

Completely possible.

2017-05-22 07:12:32 UTC  

I mean, you said that profit motive perverts quality, which makes art shitty. Which means, that socialism makes art better, by increasing quality.

2017-05-22 07:13:03 UTC  
2017-05-22 07:13:54 UTC  

Materialism makes everything its own

2017-05-22 07:13:59 UTC  

but also relative

2017-05-22 07:14:58 UTC  

When material conditions improve, because of Marxist thought, then so does the quality of art, which is reflected in the minds of artists as materialist thought.

2017-05-22 07:15:46 UTC  

@Deleted User not only

2017-05-22 07:15:55 UTC  

@Corset What do you mean, it makes everything relative?

2017-05-22 07:15:55 UTC  

subjectively too.

2017-05-22 07:16:14 UTC  

@Deleted User matter is constant and relative

2017-05-22 07:16:34 UTC  

At the same time

2017-05-22 07:16:59 UTC  

@Corset Do Marxists only think like materialists?

2017-05-22 07:17:21 UTC  

@Deleted User yes, otherwise they are not Marxist

2017-05-22 07:17:38 UTC  

It is fundamental

2017-05-22 07:20:26 UTC  
2017-05-22 07:21:43 UTC  

I think I understand now. Making art is just apart of human life. It is perverts by profit motives and other falsehoods. But when the perversion is gone, humans are able to express themselves with better quality. They remove perversion with materialist thought. But art is not the aim. Materialist thought and Marxist thought just allows humans to express with better qualify, free from perverted motives.

2017-05-22 07:22:03 UTC  

@Corset So then, is art and music ultimately necessary?

2017-05-22 07:22:20 UTC  
2017-05-22 07:22:50 UTC  

nothing is ultimate, friend.

2017-05-22 07:23:12 UTC  

Matter is moving.