Message from @Chaton

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2017-07-05 19:23:13 UTC  

I support a purge of the executive class

2017-07-05 19:23:35 UTC  

but I am against centralisation etc

2017-07-05 19:24:10 UTC  

I do not support the purge and I'm in favor of centralization.

2017-07-05 19:24:31 UTC  

why not?

2017-07-05 19:25:06 UTC  

It is possible to take power without the purge of the whole class. It is possible to use other methods of control over it.

2017-07-05 19:26:32 UTC  

but certain elements must go?

2017-07-05 19:27:52 UTC  

It depends on a situation in the country and the country itself at every moment. Use any means necessary. Priority means is creative intelligent solution and not violence.

2017-07-05 19:28:39 UTC  

I support that

2017-07-05 19:31:27 UTC  

Lenin argued there is no bloodless revolution. But some revolutions may have very little blood or almost none. It depends. Better the governance skills of the rebels less violence is necessary.

2017-07-06 10:40:07 UTC  

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2017-07-06 13:51:13 UTC  

I sure love grainy jpgs

2017-07-09 20:38:04 UTC  

What if – instead of ‘How Do You Make Yourself A Body WithoutOrgans?’ – one were to ask: how do you make yourself a Nazi?For this is far more strenuous than the 1980 diagnosis suggests.
1) Wherever there is impersonality and chance introduceconspiracy, lucidity. and malice. Look for enemies everywhere,ensuring that they are such that one than simultaneously envyand condemn them. Proliferate new subjectivities; racia1 subjects,national subjects, elites, secret societies, destinies.
2) Burn Freud, and take desire back to the Kantian conception ofwill. Wherever there is impulse represent it as choice, decision,the whole theatrical drama of volition. Introduce a gloomyatmosphere of oppressive responsibility by couching alldiscourses in the imperative form.
3) Revere the principle of the great individual. Personalize andmythicize historical processes. Love obedience above all things.and enthuse only for signs; the name of the leader, the symbol ofthe movement, and the icons of molar identity.
4) Foster nostalgia for what is maximally bovine, inflexible, andstagnant: a line of racially pure peasants digging the same patchof earth for eternity.
5) Above all. resent everything impetuous and irresponsible, insistupon unrelenting vigilance, crush sexuality under its reproductivefunction, rigidly enforce the domestication of women, distrust art,
classicize cities to eliminate the disorder of uncontrolled flows,and persecute all minorities exhibiting a nomadic tendency.

2017-07-09 20:38:16 UTC  

It's from a PDF so it probably dosn't copy paste well

2017-07-09 20:38:22 UTC  

lots of words get mashed together

2017-07-09 20:38:26 UTC  

but you get the picture

2017-07-12 00:00:25 UTC  

hello

2017-07-12 09:13:24 UTC  

Hail Posadas

2017-07-12 23:19:44 UTC  

Do you just understand basic economics ?

2017-07-13 03:03:36 UTC  

@Chaton Do u understand any economics?

2017-07-13 03:12:56 UTC  

No.

2017-07-13 05:40:32 UTC  

Do you?

2017-07-13 09:23:42 UTC  

@Chaton You know that the 'basic economics' you are learned is Capitalist economics and not Socialist/Communist economics, right?

2017-07-13 12:55:58 UTC  

No.

2017-07-13 21:45:46 UTC  

Proper economic theory can actually be applied to a variety of systems

2017-07-13 21:46:36 UTC  

It is only a failure of imagination that ties economists to capitalism or socialism

2017-07-13 21:49:12 UTC  

For example, i advocate a system where society is composed of co-operatives operating within the resources and regulatory context of collectives, which are in turn confederated together; this takes place on the scale of a city state. Imagine a libertariam market socialist singapore, if you will.

2017-07-13 21:51:40 UTC  

Within this context, i think that large-scale capital allocation (currently managed via the stock market and gov spending) can be handled in the following way:

2017-07-13 21:54:31 UTC  

Each collective pays in a portion (figure that out later) of each payment it gets to its collective fund. This portion goes to an alliance fund.
Once a [time period], vouchers are distributed, representing dollars in the fund on a 1-to-1 basis. Every project in every collective in the alliance gets to say why they should get your vouchers. You can give your vouchers to any project you want, as long as you are not a member of that project. These vouchers are then turned in for money from the alliance fund.

2017-07-13 21:58:33 UTC  

Using the usual assumptions of economics (perfect info, rational choices, ect.) you can predict that people will invest in things that maximize their utility; one of the effects of this is that the average value of everyone's transactions continuosly goes up. Further, attempts to cheat the system by not meeting your goals don't work long term, because they add in the info as to who is and isn't trustworthy, and then ceases funding for the expansion of firms controlled by bad actors.

2017-07-13 21:59:15 UTC  

It would be hard to call this system capitalist in the least, but it is still amenable to analysis by "capitalist" economics

2017-07-14 07:19:29 UTC  

I for one like a good left-wing market cooperative. If as a staging operation from whence the mindset of the people as a whole can become accustomed to the idea of it. In my experience most people falter at the idea of communally or collectively owned industries because they believe the people as a whole would not be capable in the "complex" problems of managing regular payrole.

2017-07-14 07:24:17 UTC  

That's stupid. Payroll is really, really easy. You just all take your shares of the profit every [time period]

2017-07-14 07:25:40 UTC  

Plus, co-ops are awesome, having all the upsides (constant innovations) of markets with none of the downsides of capitalism (no need for constant growth, no one is acting as a servant to a master, ect)

2017-07-14 07:25:50 UTC  

It's what most people seem to not understand, fundamentally paperwork isn't the most complex thing in the world to do ever. Maybe buisiness finance is a lot harder than home finance, but if you're all having trouble then someone could be appointed by the whole to do it, or like most of them do; have independent accountants do the numbers.

2017-07-14 07:26:13 UTC  

I mean shit, if the company Gore can run on this very idea with over 9,000 paid employees then why can't the rest of us?

2017-07-14 07:26:49 UTC  

Is it really even that hard? It seems really easy for a firm of about a dozen people, which is what most co-ops would be

2017-07-14 07:26:56 UTC  

What's Gore?

2017-07-14 07:29:38 UTC  

Gore is a company here in the States that makes special fire-resistent fabrics for cars, fire-fighters, and the US Army; recently they branched into computer parts. They have some 9,000 employees, none of which are superior to the other and even the founder carries the same title as everyone; associate. They're structured completely horizontally and found that in order to surmount the challenges of having a totally horizontal company with such a large pool of members it's to continually split their factories/shops. Every time one shop goes above 150 people ("We start seeing cars park in the grass" as I've heard someone put it) they go to build or establish an entirely new autonomous plant for another 150 people.

2017-07-14 07:30:43 UTC  

Huh