All anarchists are capitalist xxxxxxddddd

I can say something ridiculous like that

And get away with it as any anarchist

MLs are state capitalists

It's not ridiculous

It's a meme

"Muh State capitalism"

In regards to Marxism Leninism it is true

You can't argue with someone who denies reality

@Марко But the individual was not a worker. He literally came into the factory, forced other workers to stop working the MoP, took that MoP (began working it), and started using it differently.

Did he magically begin to own the MoP when he started working it, while the others lost ownership?

Which all anarchists seem to say ML's are state capitalists to discredit them from socialism

@Katherine How the fuck did he force all the workers without an apparatus to impose his will on the others like a state?

Workers will have magic guns of course

@Марко He did not force all the workers, he forced some working on a definite section. He can still try. What happens when he tries? Do the workers defend themselves? Do they coerce Person A to keep him from forcing the workers out?

I think you're simply misunderstanding how worker controlled MOP works

And Anarchist theory in general

*marxist Leninist

Anarchists have done nothing good

Do we magically assume no one disagrees with regard to how a given set of the MoP ought to be used?

I have

And it will continue that way

I am a god.

@Katherine then the workers of an MOP can democratically decide how to run their own workplace and you are free to associate or not associate

Democratic vote is literally an instrument to exclude the disagreeing minority from the majority opinion. The workers no longer all own the MoP in this case, but only the majority opinion.

*consensus Democracy

Should have specified

so then we assume they all agree?

Democratic centralism

Dictatorship of the proletariat

Accept it

If they don't they are free to associate or not and control their own MOP or associate with another group of individuals @Katherine

@Марко So then they're free to get excluded from their "ownership" if they disagree with the majority opinion. You have not solved the problem by appending the word "consensus" to the word "democracy".

How do you decide what section of the MoP an individual owns?

(we can pass over in silence regarding the implicit smuggling in of private property here)

@Katherine they're not being excluded from their own ownership. If they no longer work the MOP then they no longer should control it. Whether or not they choose to is up to the individual to freely decide for themself. Also, in regards to controlling a workplace, consensus ultimately would be the best solution. While as I have said they don't have to work that MOP. They can choose to freely associate with whoever they choose or even own an MOP individually and once they start laboring they have rights to that MOP. If you work in factory A and you don't like how it is being run you can start factory B and run it however you and your fellow workers wish

Thanks :)

So if you work in factory A, you don't get to decide how it is run

You do, everyone participates in consensus equally

If you can't do what you want to do with the MoP you are not deciding how to run it

You have lost ownership