Message from @Builderelf

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2018-01-23 19:23:14 UTC  

Welp, he left.

2018-01-24 02:22:42 UTC  

@National Trotskyist Didn't lenin say at one point that all socialists were inheriently communists?

2018-01-24 02:23:25 UTC  

Didn't ur mom say that my dick was better than ur dad's?

2018-01-24 02:23:37 UTC  

So I've been reading Theory and Practice of Anarcho-Syndicalism by Rudolf Rocker, and I came across a concept of his that I haven't seen before in anarcho syndicalism. That being Labor Cartels. I haven't seen it much before when I hear others talk about Anarcho Syndicalism, and I'd like to hear another source on it, and maybe more details on it-- because Rocker only goes into a page or two into detail about it.

2018-01-24 02:23:43 UTC  

also, big oof @Killamune

2018-01-24 02:23:55 UTC  

I'm sorry thatwas rude

2018-01-24 02:24:15 UTC  

all is forgiven comrade

2018-01-24 02:24:26 UTC  

@Builderelf Labor cartels?

2018-01-24 02:24:30 UTC  

That's a new one.

2018-01-24 02:24:38 UTC  

yeah, i havent seen it before myself

2018-01-24 02:24:42 UTC  

Why not call them "Socialist Mafia's"?

2018-01-24 02:24:46 UTC  

lel

2018-01-24 02:24:51 UTC  

i think the name is terrible too

2018-01-24 02:24:54 UTC  

You make anything sound prettier to your cause that way.

2018-01-24 02:25:02 UTC  

people would just associate them with drug cartels

2018-01-24 02:25:08 UTC  

true tho

2018-01-24 02:25:43 UTC  

Also are you an ansyn because you saw it in a mod?

2018-01-24 02:25:59 UTC  

lol no im not a kaiserriech normie

2018-01-24 02:26:11 UTC  

I came across it before, i just saw kaiserriech after

2018-01-24 02:26:32 UTC  

but from what I understand, it sounds like labor cartels are a way to regionally group trade unions, and said labor cartels would organize things like:
1. How much of x resource we need to produce

2018-01-24 02:26:40 UTC  

2. education/propaganda

2018-01-24 02:26:44 UTC  

3. Class unity

2018-01-24 02:26:59 UTC  

which is pretty broad, and a little weird to me

2018-01-24 02:27:07 UTC  

Sounds like something that would fall apart within less than a week.

2018-01-24 02:27:18 UTC  

yeah, i could see that

2018-01-24 02:27:29 UTC  

the trade unions just provide more stability than the cartles

2018-01-24 02:27:34 UTC  

in my opinion at least

2018-01-24 02:28:01 UTC  

like I agree that said unions need to federate, but these cartels are too general and too hard to organize I think

2018-01-24 02:28:06 UTC  

Would a trade union provide more stability than a drug cartel? That remains to be seen.

2018-01-24 02:28:18 UTC  

I guess thats debatable

2018-01-24 02:28:19 UTC  

And, good luck getting anarchists to centralize with no incentive.

2018-01-24 02:28:24 UTC  

but im in favor of the trade unions

2018-01-24 02:28:51 UTC  

i mean, anarchists love some direct democracy, i think thats incentive enough

2018-01-24 02:29:14 UTC  

and by making a directly democratic federation, itll provide more stability to the anarchist society while keeping the freedom

2018-01-24 02:29:27 UTC  

The fact that a warlord who only operates off of drugs and oppression, can provide more stability than a trade union is a god damn shame.

2018-01-24 02:29:33 UTC  

plus, its a justified heirarchy, because it's, well, directly democratic

2018-01-24 02:29:41 UTC  

id say so

2018-01-24 02:29:57 UTC  

Heirarchy is non existant in the eyes of anarchists, because they see it as oppression.

2018-01-24 02:30:06 UTC  

but nowadays trade unions kinda plummited in quality and popularity after the dang old 1930s or so

2018-01-24 02:30:22 UTC  

Well I wonder why that might be.

2018-01-24 02:30:29 UTC  

no, heirarchy is real, and its everywhere, anarchists just wanna get rid of unjustified heirarchy