Message from @DOLBATIC

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2018-08-18 13:13:41 UTC  

Nietzsche claimed to be the first western materialist?

2018-08-18 13:14:46 UTC  

I think this is from *Ramblings of an Inactual*, let me find my copy and translate the passage

2018-08-18 13:15:32 UTC  

well it's jot here but I think it went like this

2018-08-18 13:17:03 UTC  

"I am the first to have taken into account the physical body. The greatest crime of philosophy is to have discarded it by inventing faraway and metaphysical realities which have yet to be proven" (this is probably very imprecise paraphrase)

2018-08-18 13:18:25 UTC  

Would you think he was egotistical?

2018-08-18 13:19:07 UTC  

Probably an egoist, he despised all kinds of social policies

2018-08-18 13:19:43 UTC  

As well as the rise of authoritarian patriotism in Germany, which he viewed as a sign of degeneracy

2018-08-18 13:20:01 UTC  

I'd say he was a primitivist in a sense

2018-08-18 13:20:29 UTC  

Which would explain his dislike of how Judeo-Christian faith weakened man

2018-08-18 13:22:05 UTC  

Christianity was for him proto-socialism, the heavily Judaistic revenge of the oppressed against the Aryan hierarchical cult of Hinduism

2018-08-18 13:22:50 UTC  

I see.

2018-08-18 13:23:01 UTC  

Would he be an existentialist?

2018-08-18 13:24:40 UTC  

In some ways, Nietzsche might have been the first to state the intuition of Sartre's existentialism, Bergson's processism (see N's appreciation of Heraclites as the only Greek who accepted movement and duration) and even Husserl's phenomenology

2018-08-18 13:25:24 UTC  

Without creating a real system around them

2018-08-18 13:26:20 UTC  

Maybe he viewed the rigor of clear explanation and the creation of a philosophical system as freezing and killing ideas, which is what he accused classical philosophy of doing

2018-08-18 13:27:07 UTC  

What Nietzsche have you read?

2018-08-18 13:27:30 UTC  

Nothing yet, most of what I know, I've heard from Jordan Peterson.

2018-08-18 13:27:49 UTC  

I only just got nearly all the works yesterday

2018-08-18 13:27:53 UTC  

Yikes

2018-08-18 13:28:00 UTC  

Hm?

2018-08-18 13:29:26 UTC  

If you wanna have a good laugh, read *Twilight of the Idols* and *The Wagner Case*. Nobody escapes his insulting pen there

2018-08-18 13:30:22 UTC  

And I'd say Bergson is a great read too, the philosopher of duration

2018-08-18 13:30:47 UTC  

I guess the big difference is that N sees process as decadence while B sees it as positive creation

2018-08-18 13:31:24 UTC  

I'm not looking for a laugh. But what should I start with. What order exactly?

2018-08-18 13:32:55 UTC  

start with *Twilight of the Idols* and *Beyond Good and Evil*, they're the most accessible

2018-08-18 13:33:14 UTC  

Okay

2018-08-18 13:33:23 UTC  

or check your editions, the forewords probably have good counsel on that

2018-08-18 13:33:58 UTC  

Understood.

2018-08-18 13:34:08 UTC  

then *The Antichrist*, *Genealogy of Morality* and *Ecce Homo*

2018-08-18 13:34:28 UTC  

then you can read *Zarathustra*, the hardest

2018-08-18 13:35:14 UTC  

Oh yeah Zarathrustra. Im going to like that book.

2018-08-18 13:36:03 UTC  

then you have the smaller works, which can be read aside (read *The Wagner Case* and the 2nd *Untimely Meditation* with *Twilight of the Idols* on the matter of artistic decadence)

2018-08-18 13:37:05 UTC  

I wouldn't really trust Peterson on explaining philosophers though, he either twists their words to fit his agenda (like with Nietzsche) or says complete nonsense (like with Foucault and Derrida)

2018-08-18 13:37:21 UTC  

He doesnt have an agenda

2018-08-18 13:37:49 UTC  

You're right

2018-08-18 13:37:51 UTC  

Perhaps its just his interpretation, or you havent understood his point.

2018-08-18 13:38:00 UTC  

His only agenda is the way to the bank

2018-08-18 13:38:16 UTC  

No, his only agenda is to help people.

2018-08-18 13:38:26 UTC  

He's not doing this for the money, that much is clear

2018-08-18 13:38:47 UTC  

Yikes...

2018-08-18 13:38:55 UTC  

Hm?