Message from @DOLBATIC
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Well, the clearer way of writing is not really "materialistic" since it focuses on the purely intellectual process. Nietzsche claimed to be the first Western materialist (of course, this is factually false).
I'm not that familiar with Eastern philosophers since European philosophical education basically forgets their existence. Most of the books I've read by them are more practical, concerning matters of law and strategy.
I see. Makes sense
Nietzsche claimed to be the first western materialist?
I think this is from *Ramblings of an Inactual*, let me find my copy and translate the passage
well it's jot here but I think it went like this
"I am the first to have taken into account the physical body. The greatest crime of philosophy is to have discarded it by inventing faraway and metaphysical realities which have yet to be proven" (this is probably very imprecise paraphrase)
Would you think he was egotistical?
Probably an egoist, he despised all kinds of social policies
As well as the rise of authoritarian patriotism in Germany, which he viewed as a sign of degeneracy
I'd say he was a primitivist in a sense
Which would explain his dislike of how Judeo-Christian faith weakened man
Christianity was for him proto-socialism, the heavily Judaistic revenge of the oppressed against the Aryan hierarchical cult of Hinduism
I see.
Would he be an existentialist?
In some ways, Nietzsche might have been the first to state the intuition of Sartre's existentialism, Bergson's processism (see N's appreciation of Heraclites as the only Greek who accepted movement and duration) and even Husserl's phenomenology
Without creating a real system around them
Maybe he viewed the rigor of clear explanation and the creation of a philosophical system as freezing and killing ideas, which is what he accused classical philosophy of doing
What Nietzsche have you read?
Nothing yet, most of what I know, I've heard from Jordan Peterson.
I only just got nearly all the works yesterday
Hm?
If you wanna have a good laugh, read *Twilight of the Idols* and *The Wagner Case*. Nobody escapes his insulting pen there
And I'd say Bergson is a great read too, the philosopher of duration
I guess the big difference is that N sees process as decadence while B sees it as positive creation
I'm not looking for a laugh. But what should I start with. What order exactly?
start with *Twilight of the Idols* and *Beyond Good and Evil*, they're the most accessible
Okay
or check your editions, the forewords probably have good counsel on that
Understood.
then *The Antichrist*, *Genealogy of Morality* and *Ecce Homo*
then you can read *Zarathustra*, the hardest
Oh yeah Zarathrustra. Im going to like that book.
then you have the smaller works, which can be read aside (read *The Wagner Case* and the 2nd *Untimely Meditation* with *Twilight of the Idols* on the matter of artistic decadence)
I wouldn't really trust Peterson on explaining philosophers though, he either twists their words to fit his agenda (like with Nietzsche) or says complete nonsense (like with Foucault and Derrida)
He doesnt have an agenda
You're right
Perhaps its just his interpretation, or you havent understood his point.
His only agenda is the way to the bank
No, his only agenda is to help people.
He's not doing this for the money, that much is clear