Message from @DOLBATIC

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2018-08-18 13:05:03 UTC  

The books would be too long if he just argued through most of it. I highly doubt these were random claims though. He thought of them and thought of them deeply.

2018-08-18 13:05:17 UTC  

For example, if you read *The Wagner Case*, while I do agree with most of his points, he never delves into musicological analysis (even though he clearly has the ability to). And even the philosophical and psychological analyses are very brief.

2018-08-18 13:05:36 UTC  

I havent read his books yet but I have all his works except one I think. And Ill read that one online.

2018-08-18 13:06:36 UTC  

I'n sure he has, but the reader is left without any of Nietzche's thinking process. It really is like a religious text.

2018-08-18 13:07:14 UTC  

No wonder is seems familiar.

2018-08-18 13:07:15 UTC  

That's contrary to the way most philosophers write. A thesis needs clarity to be evaluated objectively.

2018-08-18 13:07:35 UTC  

I see.

2018-08-18 13:07:48 UTC  

What about eastern philosophers?

2018-08-18 13:08:49 UTC  

I suppose he would be closer to them, since he openly defecates on the Socratic dialectic which is at the base of Western philosophy.

2018-08-18 13:09:17 UTC  

I do love his writing style which is very inflammatory. Calling George Sand a "milking cow".

2018-08-18 13:09:46 UTC  

Dante a "grave-obsessed hyena".

2018-08-18 13:09:47 UTC  

No I mean do eastern philosophers write less materialistically?

2018-08-18 13:10:25 UTC  

Im sure they do compared to western philosophers but how much do they differ?

2018-08-18 13:12:34 UTC  

Well, the clearer way of writing is not really "materialistic" since it focuses on the purely intellectual process. Nietzsche claimed to be the first Western materialist (of course, this is factually false).

I'm not that familiar with Eastern philosophers since European philosophical education basically forgets their existence. Most of the books I've read by them are more practical, concerning matters of law and strategy.

2018-08-18 13:13:24 UTC  

I see. Makes sense

2018-08-18 13:13:41 UTC  

Nietzsche claimed to be the first western materialist?

2018-08-18 13:14:46 UTC  

I think this is from *Ramblings of an Inactual*, let me find my copy and translate the passage

2018-08-18 13:15:32 UTC  

well it's jot here but I think it went like this

2018-08-18 13:17:03 UTC  

"I am the first to have taken into account the physical body. The greatest crime of philosophy is to have discarded it by inventing faraway and metaphysical realities which have yet to be proven" (this is probably very imprecise paraphrase)

2018-08-18 13:18:25 UTC  

Would you think he was egotistical?

2018-08-18 13:19:07 UTC  

Probably an egoist, he despised all kinds of social policies

2018-08-18 13:19:43 UTC  

As well as the rise of authoritarian patriotism in Germany, which he viewed as a sign of degeneracy

2018-08-18 13:20:01 UTC  

I'd say he was a primitivist in a sense

2018-08-18 13:20:29 UTC  

Which would explain his dislike of how Judeo-Christian faith weakened man

2018-08-18 13:22:05 UTC  

Christianity was for him proto-socialism, the heavily Judaistic revenge of the oppressed against the Aryan hierarchical cult of Hinduism

2018-08-18 13:22:50 UTC  

I see.

2018-08-18 13:23:01 UTC  

Would he be an existentialist?

2018-08-18 13:24:40 UTC  

In some ways, Nietzsche might have been the first to state the intuition of Sartre's existentialism, Bergson's processism (see N's appreciation of Heraclites as the only Greek who accepted movement and duration) and even Husserl's phenomenology

2018-08-18 13:25:24 UTC  

Without creating a real system around them

2018-08-18 13:26:20 UTC  

Maybe he viewed the rigor of clear explanation and the creation of a philosophical system as freezing and killing ideas, which is what he accused classical philosophy of doing

2018-08-18 13:27:07 UTC  

What Nietzsche have you read?

2018-08-18 13:27:30 UTC  

Nothing yet, most of what I know, I've heard from Jordan Peterson.

2018-08-18 13:27:49 UTC  

I only just got nearly all the works yesterday

2018-08-18 13:27:53 UTC  

Yikes

2018-08-18 13:28:00 UTC  

Hm?

2018-08-18 13:29:26 UTC  

If you wanna have a good laugh, read *Twilight of the Idols* and *The Wagner Case*. Nobody escapes his insulting pen there

2018-08-18 13:30:22 UTC  

And I'd say Bergson is a great read too, the philosopher of duration

2018-08-18 13:30:47 UTC  

I guess the big difference is that N sees process as decadence while B sees it as positive creation

2018-08-18 13:31:24 UTC  

I'm not looking for a laugh. But what should I start with. What order exactly?

2018-08-18 13:32:55 UTC  

start with *Twilight of the Idols* and *Beyond Good and Evil*, they're the most accessible

2018-08-18 13:33:14 UTC  

Okay