You must experience objectivity

It cannot be conceptualised

Alan Moore dislikes materialism I think for that reason.

So aldous huxley wrote a cool book

called the doors of perception

which was about this

Or the popularization of it anyway.

Interesting. I might read it soon.

and a guy called terrence mckenna also had a lot to say

they seemed to think the right sort of psychedelic drug could give you a brief glimpse of objectivity

but one that could only be experienced

Yes Alan Moore also said something like that if I recall correctly.

there's a substance called DMT

In a sense I agree with you though.

I don't think someone can truly be enlightened.

Which i've dabbled with

DMT?

Well what is enlightened. thats a pretty heavy question haha

Dimethyltryptamine.

bingo

I believe enlightened to be wisdom.

Wisdom that benefits humanity in every aspect.

thats one way of looking at it

And perhaps wisdom that does the opposite.

another is that its the state in which you can experience the totality

To know all seems to be even more improbable to me.

Well at this point we're not talking about concepts

I think the use of time travel would be needed to achieve that.

just experience

concepts are limited

Experiences such as what exactly?

well I can relate to you what DMT felt like

or what Buddha thought

or um

I dunno

Well go on then, tell me.

I'm interested.

Well imagine a universe that as I said is timeless and infinite

and sure we have complex experience of it

but ultimately

it is just experience