Message from @PugSlugger

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2018-07-17 14:57:19 UTC  

🚁

2018-07-17 14:57:47 UTC  

such as?

2018-07-17 14:58:01 UTC  

You and if it doesnt always work then its bullshit. It means that this "value" is a correlation and not a causation

2018-07-17 14:58:04 UTC  

So you're saying that there's a commodity which has very high price but low labor value?

2018-07-17 14:58:10 UTC  

Yes

2018-07-17 14:58:35 UTC  

Social sciences run off of correlations much weaker than that between labor times and prices.

2018-07-17 14:58:39 UTC  

Also how does labor value account for the value of the labor its self

2018-07-17 14:58:43 UTC  

The correlation between labor and price is very strong.

2018-07-17 14:58:45 UTC  

🤔

2018-07-17 14:58:46 UTC  

easy

2018-07-17 14:59:07 UTC  

the amount of labor necessary to reduce the ability of the worker to work

2018-07-17 14:59:16 UTC  

the means of subsistence, basically

2018-07-17 14:59:21 UTC  

food, water, shelter

2018-07-17 14:59:59 UTC  

if you pay your worker so little that he get weaker day by day till he starves away, you won't have a working class to exploit anymore

2018-07-17 15:00:27 UTC  

Ah i see

2018-07-17 15:00:35 UTC  

You are a communist lmao

2018-07-17 15:00:45 UTC  

no shit man. This is leftypol

2018-07-17 15:01:00 UTC  

Nah this is discord

2018-07-17 15:01:32 UTC  

as for low labor industries with high prices, like robotics, remember that machines are also made by labor. The labor used in machines also counts towards the labor in the final product sold

2018-07-17 15:01:51 UTC  

What about if value of labor is actually determined by the supply of those workers and the demand for those workers

2018-07-17 15:01:54 UTC  

<:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>

2018-07-17 15:01:55 UTC  

as well as the labor used in intermediate commodities that are then assembled by the machines

2018-07-17 15:02:10 UTC  

How is this any different than just saying price?

2018-07-17 15:02:14 UTC  

What about when there is no labor

2018-07-17 15:02:17 UTC  

You are equivocating price and value

2018-07-17 15:02:32 UTC  

when is there ever no labor?

2018-07-17 15:02:38 UTC  

Because price is the practical form of value

2018-07-17 15:02:47 UTC  

Even the air your breathing right now takes a little bit of labor

2018-07-17 15:02:51 UTC  

Value doesnt mean anything

2018-07-17 15:03:03 UTC  

Contradiciton

2018-07-17 15:03:08 UTC  

If i have an automated factory

2018-07-17 15:03:17 UTC  

how can price be the form of value but value not mean anything?

2018-07-17 15:03:20 UTC  

That will run effectively forever

2018-07-17 15:03:26 UTC  

sure

2018-07-17 15:03:42 UTC  

Is the price of that good free?

2018-07-17 15:04:04 UTC  

Do you ever need to repair or replace the machines?

2018-07-17 15:04:18 UTC  

No

2018-07-17 15:04:28 UTC  

They are self repairing

2018-07-17 15:04:34 UTC  

Now id wager

2018-07-17 15:04:56 UTC  

so let's Steelman this experiment, and make you God. You can manifest anything you wish, break the laws of conservation of energy, etc.

2018-07-17 15:05:18 UTC  

And let's give this ability to everyone