Message from @Josh OH
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If White identitarianism was pro-segregation and right of Association (allow discrimination) then I could see it being something that could be helpful
I could see it as a stepping stone to an ethnostate
I’d consider nationalism to the right of Identitarianism. I started off as a liberal, then libertarian, then conservative, then paleocon , then Identitarian, and I’m at Nationalist right now.
I'm not sure if that specifically is what the article is pointing out. Both the 1.0 spheres and the Identitarian crowd ignore national identity in place of a more broad reaching conception of racial identity, at least in America. They would be vastly better suited to focus on their own people, their own nation, and let other nations do the same.
Identitarianism is a movement which is open about its goals to simply influence the thought of the race as a whole. However unlikely or difficult, it's nothing that's wrong to do. It's not something so easily placed on a left/right spectrum.
PF imo has the best position: identity of racecand nation.
Whether a movement is revolutionary or not ultimately comes down to tactics. Any significant divergence from the status quo could reasonably be called revolutionary. It's whether or not you plan to get there.
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People don't realize that the state used force and policy to diversify this country and it can use the same state and policy to undiversify it. Obviously there will be people who resist and there will be violence. But there was violence during desegregation as well.
@Josh OH We don't talk about other nations. Other nations don't fit into our platform. My nation comes first in all things. I care about other nations that share my race more than I do ones that do not, but I am not fighting for them. I am not fighting for Germans, or Italians, or Swedes, or Boers, or Australians. I'm fighting for Americans, for my nation. I expect them to do the same.
Where can I get one of these flags?
@Donald OH They're not official.
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Today is. Tough day
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Yeah I think it's hard for Americans to get behind a movement that extends beyond their Nation and requires them to Forfeit their American identity
We can’t forget our heritage though
@Donald OH Walmart
Next building I enter
Only flag we need
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I have plenty of American flags. I was referring to the custom one. It’s bad ass
It strikes fear into our enemy
I know 😁
@Donald OH I am descendant from Europeans. I am not a European. If all Americans were transplanted into various European "ethnostates", then after several generations of assimilation, the nation would cease to be. I do not want that.
Our nation was brought into existence because we would not be ruled by a foreign nation. It was a matter of our identity, heritage, and way of life being so different from that of Europeans that we could not exist under the same government as them.
As for the flag. It was a custom, one-off order by a member. It will not be used in future demonstrations.
I’m aware that we are American. Our American identity means the world to me. I’m just saying heritage is also important.
True, but there is plenty of American heritage tbh
We're not tapping into that enough
I know. We’ve been here for an long time. Our blood is in this soil.
This is our birthright.
Killing Natives
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Reds are the absolute worst
Massive civil war but coming back together
I hate anyone in this movement who shames the South.
Sorry to shitpost in an otherwise very excellent conversation, but..
Race =/= nation. I have a racial heritage. But like most people, its connection is weak compared to my national heritage. The people of my nation are near to me. I can see them, speak with them, interact with them. I know their struggle. Our ancestors fought in the same battles, and trekked across the same mountains.
However, I have shared no similar experiences with Russians, or Italians, or Latvians. I cannot connect with them in nearly the same way that I can with my nation. Racial identity exists, but it is not the driving force behind what we do. Nationalism is confined to a nation. Thus "White Nationalism" is almost contradictory.