Message from @arcloop

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2018-02-17 18:28:53 UTC  

I think we want the same things: A return to traditional European governance that puts God, crown, State, and people into their appropriate hierarchies.

2018-02-17 18:33:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/414324024970182656/414489462777839625/IMG_20180217_133009452.jpg

2018-02-17 18:33:13 UTC  

Got the new wired

2018-02-17 18:35:11 UTC  

I think the prime difference between Fascism and other systems is that there is not an end goal that resembles an "End of History" scenario in which everything is in balance and the storybook closes. The Fascist philosophy holds struggle as a non-tangential component of life, and seeks to create a system that is both sturdy, and dynamic as a result.

Here is where elements of Futurism come in, in my opinion, that humanity is not a static mass to be brought to an equilibrium, but a roaring force to be forged into something which can truly progress by means of a united, civilizational force of will.

2018-02-17 18:37:46 UTC  

^

2018-02-17 18:37:48 UTC  

I've always thought of fascism, at least the way Hitler and Mussolini practiced it, as being a highly technical micro-managed form of governance in line with the managerial ideas of the corporate state that guys like Henry Ford advocated for. I'm saying that's a corrupted 20th century way of organizing the State and I want something more intuitive, less technoligized.

2018-02-17 18:37:50 UTC  

Fascism is a spook. Fascists view the State as the end-all-be-all, the one and only sovereign entity. Sovereignty comes from the Nation, it doesn’t organically arise from the State. Authoritarianism is needed to abruptly end the destruction of the Nation and to rebuild it, but eventually returning to early-form American federal republicanism is a worthy goal.

2018-02-17 18:38:15 UTC  

@Kek Exactly!

2018-02-17 18:38:59 UTC  

*Read Madison, not Mason*

2018-02-17 18:39:15 UTC  

Gegeg

2018-02-17 18:39:56 UTC  

Think of an organic nation state like your own body. You are not one being, in a way, you are million and millions of cells which have all found their rightful purpose and place, whether it's the neurons in your head, or the cells in the soles of your feet, every single flickering ember of life is working tirelessly for the survival of the collective. They are not all the same, they are not all doing the same things, but they are all unique in their functions and necessity.

When a nation has those individuals that act in their own interests alone, and seek to grow and amass resources as a means of growth as an end-strategy, you end up with a tumor.

2018-02-17 18:41:09 UTC  
2018-02-17 18:41:48 UTC  

@Fash Gordon UT The windows of time in which we could see the various implementations of Fascism were short, and the governments in place were formed as a result of a revolution, and then soon flung into a war for survival. The governments of Liberal Democracies were similarly authoritarian in that state, and they did not have to expend the effort to create a new political system, merely to enforce the norm.

2018-02-17 18:43:21 UTC  

@Kek Not sure if you knew, but this is a Fascist org you're in. You're conception of authority leading to tyranny absolutely seems to be something that my previous statement about the synthesis between the nation and the state would answer.

2018-02-17 18:44:17 UTC  

https://twitter.com/farmerdarrell/status/964930725190553600
@FASHRABBIT This guy needs to be reminded of why we wear the mask.

2018-02-17 18:44:21 UTC  

@Thomas Ryan I think it's hard to say how fascism in the 20th century would have played out because of this, and I think it's WAY more positive than the NWO system we have now. But is the technologized, managerial state of fascism the BEST system? I have my criticisms.

2018-02-17 18:45:02 UTC  

If I take off that mask, will you die?

2018-02-17 18:45:25 UTC  

I'm not sure what parts of what I have said have alluded to a technologized, managerial state. You seem to have an exclusively negative interpretation of some of what I have said.

2018-02-17 18:45:27 UTC  

I know it’s a fascist organization and I’m fine with using fascism as a tool to revive the nation state, but I don’t think it should be the end goal. Republicanism can function fine in a homogenous patriarchal nation state, as it did in the US for the first 175 years

2018-02-17 18:46:05 UTC  

> thinking republicanism was successful

2018-02-17 18:46:27 UTC  

@Thomas Ryan I think we want the same things, but we may define fascism differently. Is that fair to say?

2018-02-17 18:47:43 UTC  

@Kek Welcome to the organization you joined

The organization that labels itself *American Fascists*

2018-02-17 18:47:53 UTC  

American Fascism, seen through a revolution and a period of change and implementation of new systems, will likely settle into a highly restrictive form of Republic with a voting class chosen not by wealth or by equality, but by a certain set of metrics which judge one's sacrifice to society as a greater whole. All great civilizations thrive off of the backs of one sacrificing for many. If that willingness is not present, it's game over.

2018-02-17 18:48:16 UTC  

Y'all bought your kekistan flags yet?

2018-02-17 18:48:28 UTC  

Meh to republics

2018-02-17 18:48:38 UTC  

@Fash Gordon UT I think it's fair to say that one of us may have a definition of Fascism that is a little closer to the mark than the other.

2018-02-17 18:50:03 UTC  

I think it would have been very interesting to see how the Italians, Germans, Romanians and even perhaps the British would have dealt with the exchange of power that happens as the result of the death of a leader, or the end of a period of revolution and war, but sadly we did not get to see their solutions on the matter.

2018-02-17 18:50:38 UTC  

Franco, for all his success, could not get his heir to properly carry the torch, which is something a bit unfortunate.

2018-02-17 18:50:46 UTC  

@Thomas Ryan That may be. I'm on board with your ideas, and if that's fascism than c'est la vie. Can you recommend a treatise on fascism that best supports what you're talking about?

2018-02-17 18:51:08 UTC  

C'est la vie, indeed.

2018-02-17 18:51:10 UTC  

Standby.

2018-02-17 18:51:22 UTC  

Lemme see if I still have my pdf's.

2018-02-17 18:51:43 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/414324024970182656/414494138973552641/tomorrow-we-live-oswald-mosley.pdf

2018-02-17 18:52:29 UTC  

Start there. 3, 2, 1.

2018-02-17 18:52:48 UTC  

100 Questions, then the Doctrine, then Tomorrow We Live.

2018-02-17 18:52:51 UTC  

Great start.

2018-02-17 18:53:51 UTC  

@Thomas Ryan Thanks. I've had that book recommended to me a lot, so it's high time I've read it. The only book of fascist doctrine that I've looked into is Rosenberg's, and there were some things in there that I didn't necessarily agree with.

2018-02-17 18:55:42 UTC  

>rosenberg